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Re: Sentience

Postby Annapurna » Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:19 am

Sanghamitta, thank you.

Would you say that intention, intentional activities and memory require 'thoughts'?
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Re: Sentience

Postby Riverbend » Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:34 am

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I think the carrot infinitely more fascinating than the geranium. The carrot has mystery. Flowers are essentially tarts. Prostitutes for the bees. There is you'll agree a certain je ne se quoi oh so very special about a firm young carrot. [Uncle Monty -- Withnail & I.]

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Re: Sentience

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:38 am

I think we have to be careful about our terms of reference here. The khandas do not equate in a simple way to western psychological models. Within the khandas there is a clear demarcation between sanna and sankhara*. Some mental activities fall into the first catagory and some into the second. Volitional activity and cognitive activity can be in association or not.

Just as a reminder this was my response.
* To which I would add vinnana.

I think its also worth recapitulating the basic discussion which is to do the nature of sentience. Which Buddhadhamma doesnot define in a clear cut way. There is some agreement about that which is not sentient. But sentience itself is a modern westernised concept which only partially corresponds to ancient Indian thought.
If your basic question Riverbend is if you become a Buddhist should you allow yourself to killed, by a lion or anything else, then my own answer would be absolutely not. You should take action at the lowest level necessary to preserve your life. That lowest level necessary might be quite a high level of response in fact.
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Re: Sentience

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:40 am

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Re: Sentience

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Re: Sentience

Postby Riverbend » Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:05 am

I think the carrot infinitely more fascinating than the geranium. The carrot has mystery. Flowers are essentially tarts. Prostitutes for the bees. There is you'll agree a certain je ne se quoi oh so very special about a firm young carrot. [Uncle Monty -- Withnail & I.]

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Re: Sentience

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:08 am

I think Riverbend can speak for himself dont you Annapurna ? I dont think that we can assume that he doesnt know or cant find out what sanna and sankhara refer to.
And I have answered your " and".. In as much as i have pointed out that in its present form it cant be answered, and you will need to rephrase it using either the khanda model or the psychological model but without conflating the two.

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Re: Sentience

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:12 am

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Re: Sentience

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:14 am

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Re: Sentience

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Re: Sentience

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Re: Sentience

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:34 am

No I cant give you a straightforward answer Annapurna. Because your question is meaningless as it stands.
I suggest you rephrase it in terms of the khandas as this is a the General Theravada discussion forum.
Using that model what do you mean by "memory " or "intentional activity " ? And how would they relate to cognitions ?
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Re: Sentience

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:36 am

Just a guess Riverbend but does this all actually refer to your activities as a gamekeeper ?
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Re: Sentience

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:44 am

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Re: Sentience

Postby Annapurna » Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:49 am

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Re: Sentience

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:57 am

As is the way with internet forums a post was made between your question and my reply. From context it should have been obvious which point i was addressing however.
Annapurna you are making this much more difficult for yourself than is necessary by using terms from one model i.e, western psychology and using them to ask questions about another model i.e. the khandas. It does not compute.
It cannot compute.
For example answer this apparantly simple question..where does memory fit in to the khandas ? Or even more simply where does thinking fit into the khandas ?
As to the physiological aspect of mental functioning and its relationship to biology that might have to wait until my husband returns from his "forum vacation," as it is his speciality.
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Re: Sentience

Postby Annapurna » Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:09 am

Sorry, Sangahamitta, I'm at work. You're off this week?

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Re: Sentience

Postby Riverbend » Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:10 am

I think the carrot infinitely more fascinating than the geranium. The carrot has mystery. Flowers are essentially tarts. Prostitutes for the bees. There is you'll agree a certain je ne se quoi oh so very special about a firm young carrot. [Uncle Monty -- Withnail & I.]

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Re: Sentience

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:12 am

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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