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Mother, how will I know when it's real jhana?

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Mother, how will I know when it's real jhana?

Postby Agmanellium » Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:32 am

"you'll just know" I expect to be the Answer. Personally I beleive access consciousness, since not mentioned by the Buddha, to be the weak beginnings of the first jhanna that later comentators felt the need to distinguish from full jhanna emersion.
How do you know when it's jhanna?

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Postby Ben » Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:42 am

Its worthwhile reviewing the literature including works by Ajahn Brahms, Ven Gunuratna, Vism, finally and not leastly, the Suttas.
If you have a teacher, it will also be worthwhile consulting with him/her.
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Postby Kenshou » Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:56 am

Depends who you ask. Here's a decent overview of the spectrum of opinions: http://www.leighb.com/jhanantp.htm And not to be dismissive of your topic, but this subject has been discussed to death around here, I'm sure you can find plenty of good information scattered around the forums.

As long as you're doing something to help you gain concentration, whatever works.

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Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Every time I read this topic it sounds like Pink Floyd.

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Postby rowyourboat » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:11 pm

Well to be honest, apart from 'you will just know it' reading or hearing these youtube clips/articles are going to be of much help as a man telling someone who has never seen the sea, about what the sea looks like.

It would make sense to read/watch as you practice.

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Postby Individual » Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:10 am

If I answered, it would be "speaking and listening," or "creating thoughts and receiving thoughts" instead of jhana. :)
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See also The Great Jhana Debate
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... 597#p70016
for some long discussions of interpretations. I

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Could you access to in-sign, by samādhibhāvanāmaya-ñāṇa, jhānaṅgas and their foes by lakkhaṇādicatukkas ?

Lakkhaṇādicatukkas using to notice environmental elements of jhāna-citta-- cetasikas, hadayavatthurūpa, etc., is the best way to notice jhana, because jhana is citta, that kāyānupassanā in satipaṭṭhānasutta had taught to access to in-sign it by analysis their environmental elements.
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