Aemilius wrote:Kai wrote:Aemilius wrote:I should have been more specific, what I mean is that the Mount Meru map includes the deva realms, it thus supports the view that beings incarnate through the five or six realms.
Modern cosmology does not include or describe the deva realms etc and so it supports the nihilistic view.
No deva realms = nihilism? Sorry but this is a rather poor definition of nihilism which is a POV that supports pure materialism.
There is a teaching found somewherein the pali suttas, but also in an abhidharma work Mind in Buddhist Psychology
that is a translation of Herbert Guenther, according to it before the appearance of a Buddha humanity or human culture has to be on a level of development that accepts four basic truths, viz: 1.The existence of karma and rebirth, 2.The existence of higher and lower worlds and realms, 3.The existence of a path to deliverance, and 4.The existence of realized or liberated persons.
And science reject four noble truths? Please quote any scientific theories that claimed so If not, you are just creating a strawman to justify your poor arguments. Furthermore, Materialism is a philosophical system while science is a system based on skepticism and evidence. You are comparing and cross referencing two different systems that are completely unrelated to each other. Lastly, many scientists are known to be religious people, so how are them Nihilists?
Like I said before, your argument and logic is shown time and again to be both strange and deeply flawed. Just like your support of creationist that will drag Buddhism back to the stone age.
For me it is alright if you come up with some alternative cosmology that contains the higher and lower realms.
Easy, go and read up on Islam and Christian version of alternative religious cosmology that contains both hell (lower realm) and Heaven (higher realm). I won't spoonfeed you, do your own work. Buddhists are not the only ones who fantasize about non humans........
There are New Age teachers who have produced something in that direction. To be accepted by buddhists this kind of new cosmology would need a real spiritual authority for its basis.
Nonsense, Muslims and Christians are not New Age teachers. Buddhism doesn't require cosmology to prove rebirth, a point that many try to tell you in this thread.
If you don't provide us with an alternative cosmology, in the afore mentioned lines, I can still call your view nihilistic.
I never deny rebirth. So I'm not nihilist and I would care less about what you think of me. I will never agree to your Mount Mera cosmology which are proved time and again to be an outdated model that you never be able to show otherwise.