Dorje Chang Buddha III

General forum on Mahayana.

Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Brian » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:25 am

Does anyone have any information/insight into this person and group? I've found only a few notes online about the controversial nature of him, with little details. They seem to have a lot of money, seeing as they purchased two old churches here in San Francisco and transformed them quite beautifully.

I have read to be weary of anyone claiming to be a "living Buddha".

Here is a link to some info on him: http://www.highestbuddhistmasters.org/e ... glish.html and http://www.zhaxizhuoma.net/INTRODUCTION/DCBIII.html


Thank you in advance.
Brian
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:45 pm

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:05 am

I don't know anything, there doesn't seem to be much out there. But the obvious approach is to be as skeptical as possible-- proclaiming to be an incarnation of Vajradhara, but then no one has heard of him-- except supposedly for all the high teachers quoted in his own book-- we'll see. Then, I do have to appreciate the style, the photo with the obviously fake wig? My instinct is that this guy is a performance artist on a far-out trip. But who knows, maybe he really is Vajradhara-- and Vajradhara is emanating as a performance artist on a far-out trip! The main thing is, I wouldn't start prostrating to this dude just yet. Examine for 12 years, see what happens in the interim. In the meantime, there are plenty of great teachers, especially in the SF area - that are clearly of authentic lineage and are not controversial. Like Anam Thubten RInpoche, Lama Tharchin RInpoche, among others. .
Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha
User avatar
Adamantine
Former staff member
 
Posts: 3077
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:09 am
Location: Space is the Place

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Sherab Dorje » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:45 am

Brian wrote:Does anyone have any information/insight into this person and group? I've found only a few notes online about the controversial nature of him, with little details. They seem to have a lot of money, seeing as they purchased two old churches here in San Francisco and transformed them quite beautifully.

I have read to be weary of anyone claiming to be a "living Buddha".

Here is a link to some info on him: http://www.highestbuddhistmasters.org/e ... glish.html and http://www.zhaxizhuoma.net/INTRODUCTION/DCBIII.html


Thank you in advance.
The pdf/ebook file available in the first link is a trojan of one type or another. My computer refused to download it. Maybe you should refuse to associate with DCB III?
:namaste:
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
User avatar
Sherab Dorje
Former staff member
 
Posts: 10553
Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 9:27 pm
Location: Greece

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Indrajala » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:06 am

Looks awfully dodgy to me.
User avatar
Indrajala
 
Posts: 6127
Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:19 pm
Location: Japan

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Dexing » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:31 am

Saw him on one of those Buddhist Cult listings years ago.

Here's another website with such listings: Buddhist Cults

Also "How to Spot a Buddhist Cult".

:namaste:
nopalabhyate...
User avatar
Dexing
 
Posts: 419
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:41 am

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Astus » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:48 am

"living buddha" is the Chinese equivalent of Tibetan tulku. It should be based on the teachings that a group is rejected or accepted and not subjective lists of "Buddhist Cults".
"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
(Sheng-yen: Getting the Buddha Mind, p 73)

"Neither cultivation nor seated meditation — this is the pure Chan of Tathagata."
(Mazu Daoyi, X1321p3b23; tr. Jinhua Jia)

“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

(Nanyue Mingzan: Enjoying the Way, tr. Jeff Shore; T2076p461b24-26)
User avatar
Astus
Former staff member
 
Posts: 4560
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:22 pm
Location: Budapest

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby narraboth » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:39 pm

in brief, avoid
narraboth
 
Posts: 396
Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:18 pm

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby conebeckham » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:17 pm

I'd agree with Astus, but read this:
http://www.zhaxizhuoma.net/INTRODUCTION ... palas.html

and tell me if you think it's authentic Dharma.

Personally, I feel including this group on "cult lists" is the right thing to do.
May any merit generated by on-line discussion
Be dedicated to the Ultimate Benefit of All Sentient Beings.
User avatar
conebeckham
 
Posts: 3116
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:49 pm
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Kunga » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:32 pm

100% fake. A tulku friend told me he bribed a student from Sakya College Dehradun to forge a 'recognition' letter on headed notepaper from HHST's office; when this was exposed he offered the Karmapa Urgyen Thrinlay Dorje money to recognise him; when this was rejected he rejected him as the authentic Karmapa!

You have only to look at the nonsense put about by this organisation to see that it is, at best, a parody of Dharma.
Kunga
 
Posts: 91
Joined: Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:58 am
Location: Nepal

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:34 pm

conebeckham wrote:I'd agree with Astus, but read this:
http://www.zhaxizhuoma.net/INTRODUCTION ... palas.html

and tell me if you think it's authentic Dharma.



Oh boy. :shock:
Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha
User avatar
Adamantine
Former staff member
 
Posts: 3077
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:09 am
Location: Space is the Place

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Brian » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:23 pm

All of this brings us to another, yet connected subject. I have heard about so-called "monks" who are actually Chinese communist agents in disguise. I do not know much about this issue or its purpose. What i DO know is that the Dorje Chang Buddha III has a lot of money, has purchased very old expensive churches here in San Francisco, has had governmental agencies recognize his 'efforts' and attend grand openings. This seems all very strange to me - could he be part of this Chinese "conspiracy" ? Anyone have any insight into this? I recall once seeing a picture of Chinese troops being handed Buddhists gowns.
Brian
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:45 pm

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:32 am

Brian wrote:All of this brings us to another, yet connected subject. I have heard about so-called "monks" who are actually Chinese communist agents in disguise. I do not know much about this issue or its purpose. What i DO know is that the Dorje Chang Buddha III has a lot of money, has purchased very old expensive churches here in San Francisco, has had governmental agencies recognize his 'efforts' and attend grand openings. This seems all very strange to me - could he be part of this Chinese "conspiracy" ? Anyone have any insight into this? I recall once seeing a picture of Chinese troops being handed Buddhists gowns.


Considering the Chinese government kidnapped the Panchen Lama (who is still missing) and replaced him with a puppet-panchen lama who is completely under their control, it is obviously a ploy of theirs to create high-tulku positions and use the "poison" of religion for their own deeply misguided purposes. Additionally, it is no secret that they've been more than supportive of a certain sectarian Buddhist cult that is anti-Dalai Lama and is the cause of much controversy among the followers of Tibetan Buddhism. So does it seem plausible that this character could be an invention of some psyops wing of the Chinese govt. ? Certainly.
Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha
User avatar
Adamantine
Former staff member
 
Posts: 3077
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:09 am
Location: Space is the Place

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Sherab Dorje » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:07 am

Ooooh boy this thread is sliding dangerously into the realm of conspiracy and paranoia!
:namaste:
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
User avatar
Sherab Dorje
Former staff member
 
Posts: 10553
Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 9:27 pm
Location: Greece

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:20 am

gregkavarnos wrote:Ooooh boy this thread is sliding dangerously into the realm of conspiracy and paranoia!
:namaste:


If you think this is paranoia then you're obviously not very well informed about Chinese/Tibetan politics.
Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha
User avatar
Adamantine
Former staff member
 
Posts: 3077
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:09 am
Location: Space is the Place

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Sherab Dorje » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:29 am

Sometimes I get the feeling that you think that you are talking to a dribbling moron.

All conspiracy theories and paranoia have a basis in a smidgen of reality, they become paranoid when the claims are not backed by hard evidence. What is the evidence that DCIII (theoretically a fraud, again no hard evidence) is being backed by the Chinese government? The fact that he has money and is Chinese? Well, really, that's just not enough evidence now is it?
:namaste:
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
User avatar
Sherab Dorje
Former staff member
 
Posts: 10553
Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 9:27 pm
Location: Greece

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:48 am

gregkavarnos wrote:
All conspiracy theories and paranoia have a basis in a smidgen of reality, they become paranoid when the claims are not backed by hard evidence. What is the evidence that DCIII (theoretically a fraud, again no hard evidence) is being backed by the Chinese government? The fact that he has money and is Chinese? Well, really, that's just not enough evidence now is it?
:namaste:


Saying something is theoretically *plausible*, and claiming it is *true* are entirely different things. I said it was plausible. Only if I was claiming it were actually so would I ever need hard evidence. I made no such claim. It is plausible, because as in the examples mentioned above there is a precedent for this type of behavior by the Chinese Government.

Sometimes I get the feeling that you think that you are talking to a dribbling moron.


I don't think I am talking to a dribbling moron, but it is evident that English is not your first language. This is no fault of your own, I commend you for speaking a second language at all. I am somewhat of a moron myself like many typical Americans in never having adequately learned a second language.
Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha
User avatar
Adamantine
Former staff member
 
Posts: 3077
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:09 am
Location: Space is the Place

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Sherab Dorje » Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:52 pm

Adamantine wrote:Saying something is theoretically *plausible*, and claiming it is *true* are entirely different things. I said it was plausible. Only if I was claiming it were actually so would I ever need hard evidence. I made no such claim.
This is true to an extent but the nuances are so subtle as to really render them virtually indistinguishable.
It is plausible, because as in the examples mentioned above there is a precedent for this type of behavior by the Chinese Government.
I agree, there are definitely precedents, for me though it is enough that the DCIII site tried to infest my computer with a Trojan for me to conclude that, I personally, want nothing to do with them.
:namaste:
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
User avatar
Sherab Dorje
Former staff member
 
Posts: 10553
Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 9:27 pm
Location: Greece

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Adamantine » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:10 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:
Adamantine wrote:Saying something is theoretically *plausible*, and claiming it is *true* are entirely different things. I said it was plausible. Only if I was claiming it were actually so would I ever need hard evidence. I made no such claim.
This is true to an extent but the nuances are so subtle as to really render them virtually indistinguishable.
:



these are the first definitions to come up on google, and they are not merely subtle nuanced differences "virtually indistinguishable" -- they have very clearly defined separate meanings that are not interchangeable.

plau·si·ble

adjective /ˈplôzəbəl/ 
1. (of an argument or statement) Seeming reasonable or probable
* - a plausible explanation
* - it seems plausible that one of two things may happen




claim

noun /klām/ 
claims, plural

1. An assertion of the truth of something, typically one that is disputed or in doubt
* - he was dogged by the claim that he had CIA links
* - history belies statesmen's claims to be in charge of events
Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha
User avatar
Adamantine
Former staff member
 
Posts: 3077
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:09 am
Location: Space is the Place

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Pero » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:26 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:Sometimes I get the feeling that you think that you are talking to a dribbling moron.

:rolling:
Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
- Shabkar
Pero
 
Posts: 1864
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:54 pm

Re: Dorje Chang Buddha III

Postby Thug4lyfe » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:51 pm

fakeeeee, anyone who tries to convince people to follow them because of supernatrual powers are demons!
Image
User avatar
Thug4lyfe
 
Posts: 454
Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:40 pm

Next

Return to Mahāyāna Buddhism

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ervin, goldenlight, Karma Dondrup Tashi, yan kong and 18 guests

>