What was the first sutra you ever read ?

General forum on Mahayana.

What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby ananda » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:50 pm

What was the first sutra you ever read and how well did you understand it ?
"Suffer what there is to suffer, enjoy what there is to enjoy. Regard both suffering and joy as facts of life, and continue chanting Namu-myoho-renge-kyo. no matter what happens. How could this be anything other than the boundless joy of the Law? Strengthen your power of faith more than ever." - Nichiren Daishonin
ananda
 
Posts: 71
Joined: Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:44 pm

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby Madhyama Pratipada » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:53 am

For Mahayana Sutras, the Heart Sutra was my first. At the time, I am sure I did not understand it as well as I do today. After frequent reading, the meaning has become clearer. In spite of its brevity, there is always something new to learn.
sarvopalambhopaśamah prapañcopaśamah śivah
na kimcitkasyacitkaścid dharmo buddhena deśitah

MMK 25.24

Daily Meditation Practice: http://lotusbloomingfrommud.wordpress.com/
User avatar
Madhyama Pratipada
 
Posts: 20
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:33 pm

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:02 pm

The Heart Sutra, and I still don't understand it.

:smile:
Karma Dondrup Tashi
 
Posts: 1014
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:13 pm

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby denice » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:59 pm

the heart sutra for me as well ,and everytime i read it i come away with the same answer in its simple form.... hold onto nothing /gain everything
buddha said everything is created by mind alone ...so when we stop creating (in our minds) and stop attaching to the thoughts .we see clearly .

the uncarved block of wood (the mind)
thoughts and societal beliefs carve the wood into something else very intricate makes it change form, sometimes makes one question what kind of wood ? or is it wood ?? is the change permanent ? isnt it possible to sand away the finish and smooth out the grooves to original form of the uncarved block of wood .

middle way ..the now .beginning doesnt matter ,the end doesnt matter .being mindfull in this moment yet do not attach to it let it pass.
keeping the mind in perfect tranquility and free from any attachment to appearances."
"So I say to you -
This is how to contemplate our conditioned existence in this fleeting world:"
"Like a tiny drop of dew, or a bubble floating in a stream;
Like a flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
Or a flickering lamp, an illusion, a phantom, or a dream."
"So is all conditioned existence to be seen."
Thus spoke Buddha.
User avatar
denice
 
Posts: 33
Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:36 am

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby Nosta » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:41 pm

The Amitabha Sutra
User avatar
Nosta
 
Posts: 698
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:28 pm

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby Enochian » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:16 pm

I don't get this thread.

Why do you need to read sutras, when Mādhyamaka (or if you must Yogacara philosophy) extracted the essence of the Sutras for you?

I feel sad for you guys who are trying to extract meaning out of the Heart Sutra, when its already been done by Nagarjuna, more than a millennium ago.
There is an ever-present freedom from grasping the mind.

Mind being defined as the thing always on the Three Times.
Enochian
 
Posts: 364
Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:19 pm

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby denice » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:43 pm

there is no meaning to extract as that would mean attachment ....the question was first sutra ever read . sutras read before starting a true practice .
that being said there is nothing wrong with the joy of reading in general ,although as with anything else one should not attach to the words .
labeling or categorizing goes against oneness .
the work wasnt done for you
each being must do their own work .
though a path was left ,it still must be walked
keeping the mind in perfect tranquility and free from any attachment to appearances."
"So I say to you -
This is how to contemplate our conditioned existence in this fleeting world:"
"Like a tiny drop of dew, or a bubble floating in a stream;
Like a flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
Or a flickering lamp, an illusion, a phantom, or a dream."
"So is all conditioned existence to be seen."
Thus spoke Buddha.
User avatar
denice
 
Posts: 33
Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:36 am

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby mudra » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:46 pm

To be honest I read bits and pieces of different sutras as a teenager but it was all a jumble.

The first sutra I 'consciously' read and studied was the Heart Sutra - I heard it recited for the first time by HHDL at the Borobudur in 1982, and promised myself I would learn it.

So over the years I did, and received teachings on it. And strangely enough, every time I reread my notes or think about it, it continues to expand.

Enochian - there are a lot of layers to this sutra. The Madhyamaka aspect is just one of them. I wouldn't dismiss it so lightly.
User avatar
mudra
 
Posts: 453
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:55 am

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby Enochian » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:51 pm

mudra wrote:Enochian - there are a lot of layers to this sutra. The Madhyamaka aspect is just one of them. I wouldn't dismiss it so lightly.



I am not dismissing the Heart Sutra.

The true bottom line meaning has already been extracted by Madhyamaka.

Thus no need to read it........Study Madhyamaka instead.
There is an ever-present freedom from grasping the mind.

Mind being defined as the thing always on the Three Times.
Enochian
 
Posts: 364
Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:19 pm

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby kirtu » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:00 am

Enochian wrote:
mudra wrote:Enochian - there are a lot of layers to this sutra. The Madhyamaka aspect is just one of them. I wouldn't dismiss it so lightly.



I am not dismissing the Heart Sutra.

The true bottom line meaning has already been extracted by Madhyamaka.

Thus no need to read it........Study Madhyamaka instead.


Reading sutras is very meritorious and develops wisdom and admiration for the Buddha and Bodhisattvas (and all the laypeople too) as well as compassion.

The Heart Sutra is the condensed meaning of the Prajnaparimita Sutras so it is bursting with revelations and meaning. In the Mahayana traditions and esp. the Japanese traditions it is often read everyday as a practice. Even in Tibetan Buddhism, the lineage most directly linked with studying commentary over source, it is often read daily in some monasteries and there is also a protection ceremony done at the end.

Another approach would be to read it, study it with commentary and contemplate it. We need to personally extract the meaning for ourselves. It is one of the most direct revelations of the ultimate truth available - a direct glimpse into the wisdom of the Buddha's.

Kirt
Kirt's Tibetan Translation Notes

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
User avatar
kirtu
Former staff member
 
Posts: 4612
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:29 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby mudra » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:04 am

Enochian wrote:
mudra wrote:Enochian - there are a lot of layers to this sutra. The Madhyamaka aspect is just one of them. I wouldn't dismiss it so lightly.



I am not dismissing the Heart Sutra.

The true bottom line meaning has already been extracted by Madhyamaka.

Thus no need to read it........Study Madhyamaka instead.


Actually the entire outline of the path to enlightenment can also be found in there, and much more. Once you receive an explanation from the oral tradition which has come down from Maitreya>Asangha etc you might change your mind.

And you can still study Madhyamaka, and it would be good to receive transmissions and proper commentaries on that too.
User avatar
mudra
 
Posts: 453
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:55 am

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby denice » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:40 am

all sutras are profound in their simplicity .all the sutras lead to the same base teaching
everything is created by mind alone (suffering)
the mind should be kept independent of any thoughts that arise within it ( no attachment to thought in mind)
thoughts create actions that can cause suffering to all .past & future must fall away ,being mindful in the moment.(karma)
keeping the mind in perfect tranquility and free from any attachment to appearances."
"So I say to you -
This is how to contemplate our conditioned existence in this fleeting world:"
"Like a tiny drop of dew, or a bubble floating in a stream;
Like a flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
Or a flickering lamp, an illusion, a phantom, or a dream."
"So is all conditioned existence to be seen."
Thus spoke Buddha.
User avatar
denice
 
Posts: 33
Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:36 am

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby Enochian » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:55 am

The base meaning of the sutras is :

Everything exists as thoughtforms (appearances) merely designated upon causes and conditions. This applies to yourself, the Buddhas, the causes and conditions themselves, and even the principle of causality itself.
There is an ever-present freedom from grasping the mind.

Mind being defined as the thing always on the Three Times.
Enochian
 
Posts: 364
Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:19 pm

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby denice » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:41 am

yes in the mind
keeping the mind in perfect tranquility and free from any attachment to appearances."
"So I say to you -
This is how to contemplate our conditioned existence in this fleeting world:"
"Like a tiny drop of dew, or a bubble floating in a stream;
Like a flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
Or a flickering lamp, an illusion, a phantom, or a dream."
"So is all conditioned existence to be seen."
Thus spoke Buddha.
User avatar
denice
 
Posts: 33
Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:36 am

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby mudra » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:55 am

Enochian wrote:The base meaning of the sutras is :

Everything exists as thoughtforms (appearances) merely designated upon causes and conditions. This applies to yourself, the Buddhas, the causes and conditions themselves, and even the principle of causality itself.


That's true. And so is the fact that we are trapped by our delusions and need to work to free ourselves from them.

Enochian wrote:The true bottom line meaning has already been extracted by Madhyamaka.
Thus no need to read it........Study Madhyamaka instead.


We need to work with method and wisdom, according to the Buddha. And as the Heart Sutra contains much more than what you quote above, I will not limit myself to what you suggest is sufficient, but avail myself also of the instructions both implicit and hidden therein, and passed down to Arya Asangha by Maitreya. I am sure you will understand if I put more faith in my root lamas than you.
User avatar
mudra
 
Posts: 453
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:55 am

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby pemachophel » Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:42 pm

Dhammapada
Pema Chophel པདྨ་ཆོས་འཕེལ
pemachophel
 
Posts: 612
Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 9:19 pm
Location: Lafayette, CO

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby Silent Forest » Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:44 am

I first read some bits of sutras as teenager. They were without commentaries or guidance and didn´t understand much. Even knowing what they try to tell is far away from really understanding them (and being able to apply it to the own life). So I´d also say that I don´t fully understand them until today. The first sutra that seriously caught my attention was the diamond sutra.
Silent Forest
 
Posts: 23
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:46 pm

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby Thug4lyfe » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:57 pm

8 realisations of a Bodhisattva
Image
User avatar
Thug4lyfe
 
Posts: 454
Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:40 pm

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby sangyey » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:23 pm

I remember when I first started to study Dharma I had read the Theravadin monk Bhikkhu Bodhi's 'Noble Eightfold Path' and I was really impressed so I bought and read his book 'In the Buddhas Words - An anthology of discourses from the Pali Canon' which is where I was first introduced to the Sutra's (Suttas :smile: ) and the Buddha's own words. I forget which sutra it was that I read first but I remember that it was really amazing and inspiring to read the Buddhas own words.
User avatar
sangyey
 
Posts: 418
Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:00 am

Re: What was the first sutra you ever read ?

Postby Inge » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:51 pm

The Sutra of the Foremost Shurangama at the Great Buddha’s Summit Concerning the Tathagata’s Secret Cause of Cultivation, His Certification to the Complete Meaning and all Bodhisattvas’ Myriad Practices.
User avatar
Inge
 
Posts: 300
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:52 am


Return to Mahāyāna Buddhism

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests

>