Shurangama Sutra-guide to practice

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Shurangama Sutra-guide to practice

Postby LastLegend » Sat May 21, 2011 6:47 am

It is said that Shurangama Sutra will be first be destroyed during Dharma ending again, and lastly of course Sutra of Infinite Life (Amitabha Sutra). Why? Because Shurangama is like a freak-mirror. I sincerely do not want to offend anyone, but in regard to enlightenment via sex is definitely not Buddha's teachings. In Dependent Origination, Birth is what perpetuates the chains of death and rebirth. Birth is basically sex or lust. This desire is very deep rooted. I am sorry to say that a monk or laymen cannot use sex to wish for fruitions of Tathgatha. The desire and the thought of lust has to be destroyed before you can realize enlightenment.

Part 6
Please read about killing, stealing, and lies also.
http://www.longbeachmonastery.org/Shura ... Part_6.pdf
Comentaries by Master Hsuan Hua

Sutra:The Buddha told Ananda, “You constantly hear me explain
in the Vinaya that there are three unalterable aspects to
cultivation. That is, collecting one’s thoughts constitutes the
precepts; from the precepts comes samadhi; and out of samadhi
arises wisdom. Samadhi arises from precepts, and wisdom is
revealed out of samadhi. These are called the ‘Three Non-
Outflow Studies.’


Commentary:
When everyone in the assembly had agreed to uphold the
teaching, the Buddha told Ananda, “You constantly hear me
explain in the Vinaya that there are three unalterable aspects to
cultivation.”
The Vinaya includes the rules for both the greater and
lesser vehicles. It discusses the precepts. These three fixed aspects
are unalterable. “That is, collecting one’s thoughts constitutes
the precepts.”
These three are precepts, samadhi, and wisdom. You
collect and maintain your thoughts, just as a magnet collects iron
filings. This refers especially to our thoughts that “climb on
conditions” – that take advantage of situations. When these
thoughts take control, one is always paying attention to other
people. One is continually thinking up ways to draw near to
wealthy people or people in positions of authority. Such thoughts
go on and on all day long. That’s called “climbing on conditions;”
it means that one has not collected one’s thoughts. Collect those
thoughts. Don’t let them take advantage of situations. Don’t let
them run out at random. But our mind is such that it runs away with
us, even if we don’t want it to. We may forbid it to have false
thinking, but in the next moment another false thought comes up.
One ceases and the next one begins. The first thought dissolves, but
the next one is already on its way. And before that one is
completely gone, the next one has arisen. The mind that climbs on
conditions never ceases. What you must do is to collect and
maintain your thoughts. Bring your mind back to one point. The
whole reason we can’t become Buddhas, can’t become enlightened,
can’t awaken to the Way, is that we do not have control of our mind.
If you get your thoughts together, there is nothing you cannot do.
You’ll be successful at everything. The precepts, then, are designed
to collect your thoughts. Precepts put a stop to evil and prevent
further transgressions.
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“Samadhi arises from precepts.” Holding precepts is like
holding a bottle of muddy water still, until the silt settles and the
water becomes clear. Samadhi means “not moving.” “And wisdom
is revealed out of samadhi.” As Manjushri Bodhisattva’s verse said:
When stillness is ultimate,
the light penetrates.
You become enlightened. Within samadhi, your own genuine
wisdom arises. “These are called the ‘Three Non-outflow
Studies.’”
Guard the precepts, and from the precepts will come
samadhi. Out of samadhi will arise wisdom.


Let me explain further. To gain enlightenment (wisdom), you must follow Conducts (examples-precepts, vows)-Samadhi-Wisdom. I will say Conduct-Concentration-Meditation. Keep in mind here that the word samadhi is not limited to Chan tradition only, but Samadhi means concentration. So Pure Land, Chan, Tantra, Tien Tai, etc can reach samadhi or concentration too if practice properly and correctly. Just that in Pure Land, it's called single-minded concentration. I am sure other traditions have different ways of referring to the same thing. All is called enlightenment (wisdom) or concentration. The three cannot be separated, even after enlightenment, one still lives within conducts-concentration-wisdom.

One Must Cut Off Lust

Sutra:
“Ananda, why do I call collecting one’s thoughts the
precepts? If living beings in the six paths of any mundane world
had no thoughts of lust, they would not have to follow a
continual succession of births and deaths.


Commentary:
“Ananda, why do I call collecting one’s thoughts the
precepts?
Now I will tell you. If living beings in the six paths of
any mundane world had no thoughts of lust”: The six paths include
gods, humans, asuras, animals, hungry ghosts, and beings in the
hells. If they were free of thoughts of sexual desire, “They would
not have to follow a continual succession of births and deaths.”

They could cut off birth and death.


Sutra:
“Your basic purpose in cultivating is to transcend the
wearisome defilements. But if you don’t renounce your lustful
thoughts, you will not be able to get out of the dust.


Commentary:
The Buddha is speaking to Ananda here when he says, “Your
basic purpose in cultivating is to transcend the wearisome
defilements.”
You want to get out of birth and death. “But if you
don’t renounce your lustful thoughts, you will not be able to get
out of the dust.”
If you do not cut off sexual desire, it will be
impossible to get out of the mundane defilements of the world.
That’s because thoughts of sexual desire are themselves defiling.
They themselves are the wearisome dust. Not to speak of engaging
in lustful practices, even the presence of such thoughts is unclean.
If you don’t renounce sexual desire, it’s entirely unreasonable to
hope to become enlightened and accomplish Buddhahood. To hold
on to sexual desire on the one hand and expect to become
enlightened on the other is the stupidest kind of thinking. People
who think that way are impossible to teach. Even if Shakyamuni
Buddha himself appeared in the world right now, he would have no
way to bring such people to attainment of fruition. Such people are
the most dull-witted of all.


Sutra:
“Even though one may have some wisdom and the manifestation
of Ch’an samadhi, one is certain to enter demonic paths
if one does not cut off lust. At best, one will be a demon king; on
the average, one will be in the retinue of demons; at the lowest
level, one will be a female demon.

Commentary:
“Even though one may have some wisdom and the manifestation
of Ch’an samadhi, one is certain to enter demonic paths
if one does not cut off lust.”
You may be wise, and when you sit
down to meditation you may experience light ease and feel
extremely comfortable – that is, you can enter Ch’an samadhi. You
think you’re wise, then? If you don’t put a stop to lust, you’ll end
up a demon! “At best, one will be a demon king in the Sixth
Desire Heaven. On the average, one will be in the retinue of
demons.
One will become an ordinary demon. At the lowest level,
one will be a female demon.”
They are beautiful, but extremely
coarse. People with wisdom should be careful. Smart people should
take careful note of this passage. Don’t let your intelligence go back
on you so that you make a mistake in the end. Don’t have the
attitude: “You don’t understand, but I do. You’re not clear, but I
am.” That’s petty intelligence, petty wisdom. Don’t let a promising
future go to ruin.

Sutra:
“These demons have their groups of disciples. Each says of
himself that he has accomplished the Unsurpassed Way.

Commentary:
These people with a little wisdom who do not cut off their lust
are always talking about love and desire. “I love you, you love me,”
and they love back and forth until they become demonic. Then what
happens? “These demons have their groups of disciples. Each
says of himself that he has accomplished the unsurpassed Way.”

They, too, will have disciples and protectors. Totally without
shame, they will loudly pronounce that they have achieved the
highest path. “I’m a Buddha! We are all supreme and unsurpassed!”
Basically such people are demons, but they don’t admit to it; they
profess instead to be Buddhas. You see, there are even phony
Buddhas. But they don’t see themselves as phony; they think they
are for real. They believe :
In heaven above, on earth below
I alone am honored.

Sutra:
“After my extinction, in the Dharma-ending Age, these
hordes of demons will abound, spreading like wildfire as they
openly practice greed and lust. Claiming to be good knowing
advisors, they will cause living beings to fall into the pit of love
and views and lose the way to Bodhi.

Commentary:
Shakyamuni Buddha said, “While I’m in the world, such
demons will not dare to show themselves, but after my extinction,
in the Dharma-ending Age, these hordes of demons will
abound.”
It is just our present age that is being referred to here,
when the Dharma is about to die out. There are simply too many of
these demons around, going about everywhere discussing sexual
desire. And they themselves revel in lust, be they men or women.
At the same time, they think that they are enlightened and have
become Buddhas.
How is it that I recognize such people as these, such as the one
who says he’s a Buddha – we won’t mention any names. He said he
was a Buddha, and I said he was a demon.
“Who’s a demon’?” he said.
“You are,” I replied. How did I know? He’s just like what’s
described here. He’s always talking about emotion and love. “Love,
love. I love everybody”’ It’s really shameless. What right do you
have to be in love with everyone? These demons abound,
“spreading like wildfire as they openly practice greed and lust.”
They’ll be all the rage in the world. Ignorant people will be taken in
by them, thinking what they have to say makes sense. It will
especially agree with young people’s way of thinking. As the
saying goes, “persons of similar (atrocious) tastes get together.
They praise one another as they go down this road. If they didn’t
agree with each other’s ideas, they wouldn’t do that. If people’s
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paths are not in agreement, they won’t collaborate with one another.
But if their thinking is the same, then the blind can lead the blind.
How pitiful’ I’m not scolding people here, but
If one who is dazed
transmits the delusion to another,
When all is said and done,
neither one understands.
The teacher falls into the hells,
And the disciples burrow in after him.
The teacher winds up in the hells, and when his disciples show up
there as well, he is surprised. “How did you get here? This is a
terrible place”’
“You came first, and you’re our teacher, so of course we would
follow you,” they reply.
“Claiming to be good knowing advisors”: they boast, “I give
lectures all over the place to lots of people.” Ridiculous! “They
will cause living beings to fall into the pit of love and views and
lose the Way to Bodhi.”
They cause all they come in contact with
to fall into the pit of sexual desire. They forfeit Bodhi and end up in
the hells.

Sutra:
“When you teach people in the world to cultivate samadhi,
they must first of all sever the mind of lust. This is the first clear
and unalterable instruction on purity given by the Thus Come
Ones and the Buddhas of the past, World Honored Ones.

Commentary:
Demon kings advocate love. The difference between that and
the teaching of a Bodhisattva is ever so slight – like the flip of a
hand. In what way is it different? Bodhisattvas also love people, but
their love is a compassionate and protective kind, devoid of sexual
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desire. But there is a current of lust that runs through everything a
demon king says. He openly advocates it, to the point that he says
that the heavier one’s sexual desire, the higher the level of enlightenment
one can reach. This kind of deviant doctrine harms people.
Bodhisattvas have no lust; they do not make distinctions between
living beings and themselves. Demons have motives; they are
greedy for things. Bodhisattvas have no ulterior motives and are not
greedy. In regard to this, the Buddha’s teaching explains the twelve
causal conditions.
“When you teach people in the world to cultivate samadhi,
they must first of all sever the mind of lust.
Teach them to cut off
their thoughts of sexual desire. This is the first clear and
unalterable instruction on purity given by the Thus Come Ones
and the Buddhas of the Past, World Honored Ones.”
This is the
method of teaching used by the Thus Come Ones. It is the
resolution of all the Buddhas of the past. This is clear instruction
that teaches people how to be pure. One must cut off lust. This is a
fixed principle. It is not the least bit flexible. It’s not to say that one
can have lust or not have it. One must get rid of it. If you want to be
enlightened and also hold on to your thoughts of lust, then you
certainly will join the retinue of demons.

Sutra:
“Therefore, Ananda, if cultivators of Ch’an samadhi do not
cut off lust, they will be like someone who cooks sand in the
hope of getting rice. After hundreds of thousands of aeons, it
will still be just hot sand. Why? It wasn’t rice to begin with; it
was only sand.

Commentary:
You see, now he brings up an analogy. He tells Ananda, “You
don’t believe it, so I’ll explain the principle for you. Therefore,
Ananda, if cultivators of Ch’an samadhi do not cut off lust, they
will be like someone who cooks sand in the hope of getting rice.”

If one does not sever sexual desire and yet cultivates and meditates
every day, then one will cultivate on the one hand, and have
outflows on the other. Everything one gains will be dissipated.
Whatever one gains in cultivation will be lost tenfold in outflows;
if one cultivates ten times as much, one will lose a hundred times as
much in outflows. Unable to renounce sexual desire, one still sits in
meditation with the hope of getting enlightened, with the aim of
getting a little upside-down bliss. This is just like cooking sand in
the hope of getting rice. “After hundreds of thousands of aeons,
it will still be just hot sand.
It’s useless. Why? It wasn’t rice to
begin with; it was only sand.
You expect to become enlightened
without giving up sexual desire? It’s the same as expecting to get
rice from sand.”
There’s something else to be said here. If you can sever sexual
desire, then even if you are together with the opposite sex all day
long, there will be no problem. There won’t be any sexual desire,
any appearance of male or female, any appearance of people, of
self, of living beings, or of a lifespan. Some people know no shame
and say, “That’s the way I am.” To just say you’re that way isn’t
enough. There’s no proof. How do you know you’re that way? If
you were that way, you basically wouldn’t recognize that you were.
You couldn’t have the idea that you didn’t have any sexual desire.
If you don’t, you simply don’t. You wouldn’t go around advertising
it. That just shows that you really aren’t that way. If you really don’t
have any sexual desire, then
The eyes see forms appear,
but inside there is nothing.
The ears hear defiling sounds,
but the mind does not know of them.
No matter how pleasing a sound the ear picks up, your mind is
unaware of it. Then you’ve got a little going for you. And then if
you can reach the point that you can walk, sit, and lie down together
with someone of the opposite sex without there being any incident
– any arisal of thoughts of sexual desire – and really have there be
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none – that will count. It’s not to say that your mind still races but
you grit your teeth and say firmly, “I can take it.” That doesn’t
count. It has to be that not one thought arises-the mind does not
move, that there basically is no trace of lust in your heart. That’s
genuine. If you occasionally are still aware of what women ate all
about, then you’ve failed the test.
Once there was someone who got enlightened and went to seek
certification from his teacher. “What enlightenment have you
opened?” his teacher asked.
His reply was, “Oh, before I never realized it, but now I know
that bhikshunis are women.” His teacher checked him out with the
Buddha Eye and saw that indeed he was enlightened. “You’re all
right,” he said in certification.
“Who doesn’t know that?” you say.
If you weren’t enlightened, you wouldn’t even say that much. It
was because he had awakened that he voiced that observation. This
is not something you can cheat people with – especially since his
teacher had the Buddha Eye open. He looked at him and knew that
he had realized the first fruition of Arhatship.

Sutra:
“If you seek the Buddha’s wonderful fruition and still have
physical lust, then even if you attain a wonderful awakening, it
will be based in lust. With lust at the source, you will revolve in
the three paths and not be able to get out. Which road will you
take to cultivate and be certified to the Thus Come One’s
Nirvana?

Commentary:
The Buddha said to Ananda, “Your fondness for Matangi’s
daughter not only involved thoughts of lust; you still had physical
lust, as well. If you see the Buddha’s wonderful fruition and still
have physical lust, then even if you attain a wonderful
awakening, it will be based in lust.
Although you may attain the
subtle principles at the heart of it, you still have not gotten rid of the
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roots of lust. With lust at the source, you will revolve in the
Three Paths and not be able to get out.
In the future you will
certainly fall into the hells. The “Three Paths” are those of animals,
hungry ghosts, and beings in the hells. And you will just revolve in
these three and be unable to leave them. Which road will you take
to cultivate and be certified to the Thus Come One’s Nirvana?

Which of these paths will lead you to that fruition?

Sutra:
“You must cut off the lust which is intrinsic in both body
and mind. Then get rid of even the aspect of cutting it off. At
that point you have some hope of attaining the Buddha’s Bodhi.

Commentary:
“You must cut off the lust which is intrinsic in both body and
mind.
You definitely must get rid of the most subtle and fine, the
most infinitesimal single thought of lust. That just means that
ignorance itself must go. It must be done both physically and
mentally. Then get rid of even the aspect of cutting it off. You
cannot even be aware of having cut it off. At that point you have
some hope of attaining the Buddha’s Bodhi.

Sutra:
“What I have said here is the Buddha’s teaching. Any
explanation counter to it is the teaching of Papiyan.

Commentary:
“What I have said here is the Buddha’s teaching. This is the
way the Buddhas explain the Dharma. Any explanation counter to
it is thc teaching of Papiyan,
methods taught by a demon king.
“Papiyan” is a Sanskrit term that means “evil one” and refers to
Mara, the demon king.
People who come to listen to the Sutras must certainly be able
to see. The blind cannot come to hear the Sutras, nor can the deaf or
dumb. The more the people come to hear, the smarter they get.
Everyone should open his eye of genuine wisdom and truly turn the
organ of the ear back to the self-nature. Do not seek outside.


http://www.longbeachmonastery.org/NEWShurangama.htm

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Re: Shurangama Sutra-guide to practice

Postby Will » Sat May 21, 2011 5:28 pm

Relax LL; if you are aiming at Buddhist Tantra, you are underinformed. All the best lamas say that using tantra for ordinary sex acts will send one to hell quickly. Yes, the practice is abused, but the correct practice is not like ordinary sex at all.

Having said that, I agree that the Shurangama's practice is better and safer for 97% of us.
One should refrain from biased judgments and doubting in fathoming the Buddha and the Dharma of the Buddhas. Even though a dharma may be extremely difficult to believe, one should nonetheless maintain faith in it. Nagarjuna
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Re: Shurangama Sutra-guide to practice

Postby LastLegend » Sat May 21, 2011 6:24 pm

Just making it clear to people man. And to whoever thinks enlightenment via sex is the way. There seems to be some people here on this forum who are still confused about that. So just to make it clear.
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