Rem, umm,.. well whatever, Buddha Shakyamuni said different, he praised monks practicing jhana, he called the pleasure of concentration blameless because it harms no one. He mentions a concern, and that is is someone clings to jhana and does not continue to liberation they will not be liberated but will end up in the higher god realms which is not "bad", but until you have jhana it is something to develop, and that means that you must apply right effort and right resolve, taking joy and making an effort in doing what is good, in this case jhana.
I don't see how that's an argument to what I stated above. Dhyana is one of the six paramitas that a bodhisattva has to perfect in his/her path towards full blown awakening. You stated exactly what I mentioned above when you said: "He mentions a concern, and that is is someone clings to jhana and does not continue to liberation they will not be liberated but will end up in the higher god realms which is not bad."
I think in your rage you've missed interpreted what I said. Meditative absorptions are definitely something that should be perfected, there is nothing wrong with it at all. But, one who does not move onto search for full Annutarasamyaksambodhi but just decides to stay in the Dhyanas does not reach awakening, especially if you reside on the first dhyana, you will reborn in the lower heavens--thus still in desire realm, and still subjected to birth and death.
To tell someone not to develop jhana, to avoid or not pursue meditation bliss (which is how the concentration is developed) is wreckless, dangerous, blame worthy, seriously seriously, the people that say that are so sick in the head, Buddha Shakyamuni would have ripped them a new one because it is a total misrepresentation of his teaching, it's slanderous.
I didn't say this, did I? I'm not sure where you're getting this from. I said not to be attached to it. Because attachment to Dhyanas once again leads one to rebirth in the heavenly realms, thus one will not reach full blown Buddha-hood. You said so yourself.
Bliss is conductive to awakening, Buddha Shakyamuni describes it as food, first jhana being like clean water, second like rice, third like beans, and fourth like honey and ghee. Meditation bliss, sukkha piti and an plethora of different joys that come about, they allow us to leave the worldly joys behind, this is the joy of renunciation and sustains us to liberation, no longer reliant on worldly joys.
I agree here. Perfection of meditative absorptions is essential in cultivating the bodhisattva path. But once perfected move on and perfect wisdom and strive for full awakening.
One may experience bliss in meditation, but don't attach it. You will definitely experience it as you start to enter the first absorption, but if you cling onto the meditative absorption and you don't bring forth the altruistic mind and only savor that transient bliss for yourself, you will not attain any sort of awakening. That is exactly what the Shurangama Sutra will tell you. Does this contradict what you said above?
So don't anyone go knocking jhana or meditation joy, it shows your abject and horrendous acceptance of misinformation, usually taught by ignorant malaise Chinese and Japanese with no attainments at all, stupid people raised with the Christmas tree of Buddhism rather than what the Buddha taught, who are not worthy of respect and not qualified to teach even a child.
I didn't go knocking on meditation or slander it whatsoever. Out of your rage you didn't interpret what I said correctly, and you assumed I was slandering meditative absorptions which was a blind move. Secondly, may I ask--where are you in your attainments and cultivation for you to be slandering other schools of Buddhism or certain ethnic Masters? You, being a "Buddhist" need to humble yourself and lower that anger of yours. Don't point fingers at anyone, other than yourself.