Yet another failed attempt by a self-proclaimed enlightened teacher to save us from ourselves?Gwenn Dana wrote:Ugh. What was that?!
theres no problem, and never was.
White Lotus wrote:it just cant be done. this points to the necessity of having travelled some way along the path in order to appreciate such expressions. there needs to be prior experience in order to appreciate the term: "Instantaneous Awakening". can anyone here put it into simple understandable language. I doubt it!
To me those attempts point both to the same, and are in the same way limited by the possibilities of language.
White Lotus wrote:This topic was central to the Buddhist school of Hui Neng, the sixth Chinese patriarch.
When Hui Neng transmitted the dharma transmission and recognition of a students enlightenment he would give the following gatha (poem)The mind ground holds the seeds
which sprout when falls the all pervading rain,
the wisdom flower of instantaneous awakening
cannot fail to bear the bodhi fruit
instantaneous awakening is however still a dharma, but is the gateway to go beyond enlightenment. it has no requirements or conditions. it is just instant. right here, right now. just as you are.
going beyond instantaneous awakening one comes to no dharma whatsoever, not even no dharma is to be attached to. this simplest of all realisations is also the hardest to accept. this is since the ego is always searching for something bigger and better, faster and cooler. the Buddha Siddharta Shakyamuni also had a transmission Gatha that he handed to Mahakasyapa. it goes as follows:The Dharmas fundamental dharma is no dharma,
the dharma of no dharma is dharma too,
now the dharma of no dharma is transmitted,
has there ever been a dharma?
no teaching transmitted whatsoever by Siddharta, not even instanteneous enlightenment (which is still a teaching). since this is so the buddha fundamentally has no teaching and whosoever says he has slanders the buddha (Vajracchedica/diamond sutra). one has never been in bondage. there is no enlightenment to be realised. this is fundamental realisation. though there may be many stages and realisations, fundamentally not a thing is taught or realised. its mysterious.
some have said on these threads that in order to have an instanteneous awakening first one must pass through many stages. i believe that is not so. the mind is buddha, this ordinary mind right now as you have it. nothing special.
when we know this it is time to just live.
i hope you are all well, hope this is helpful.
greentara wrote:Jesse, "The story ends and theres no problem, and never was" Yes that pretty much covers it!
when you know that you have always had awakening you will realise that its not necessary to see or experience anything special. you are a buddha just as you are.
you are buddha