Astus wrote:What happens to the arhat after death from the traditional Mahayana perspective(s)?
I know of two options:
- Attains parinirvana.
- Becomes a bodhisattva.
If he attains parinirvana, is that the same as of a buddha, or not?
If he becomes a bodhisattva, what is the cause? If it is the decision of the arhat, did he make that decision before, or after death?
Astus wrote:What is that parinirvana where an arhat goes to? ... Another option - but I've heard about this only in Tiantai - is that there is a special buddha-realm like dimension where arhats stay. But beyond that I know nothing about such an arhat-realm.
Astus wrote:And then buddhas wake them up from, what?
So that bodhicitta arises in their, what?
If it is dependent origination they are in, there is no freedom from birth. Independent origination, however, is not possible.
Regarding Tiantai's view, I've just heard about it but don't know any details.
Yes, by bringing the eternal mind-continuum ("soulriver") into the equation it can be solved, saying that there is no such thing as end of rebirth, end of dependent origination, end of samsara.
On the other hand, this eternal mind-continuum sounds, well, like a liquidified atman, with the result that one's mind is eternal, this time a changing, moving, feeling mind, not eternal in components but eternal in continuum. So, like a river and its drops, the rever is eternally flowing but the drops keep changing. Funny, it is much like the reverse of the view that there are eternal elements (dharmas) making up an impermanent whole. Is this really an acceptible view?
kirtu wrote:The mind-continuum is in a sense eternal in that one moment of mind conditions the next moment of mind. Ultimately this is transformed into wisdom and in that sense the mind ends.
Astus wrote: So that bodhicitta arises in their, what?
Astus wrote:What Abhidharma teaching do you think of here? Certainly, mind is dependently arisen. Thus, it can dependently end - with the elimination of ignorance there is no further cause for the arising of consciousness, birth and suffering.
kirtu wrote:Astus wrote:What Abhidharma teaching do you think of here? Certainly, mind is dependently arisen. Thus, it can dependently end - with the elimination of ignorance there is no further cause for the arising of consciousness, birth and suffering.
Your objections have me at a disadvantage but I am suggestion that these problems with Arhats, their arousal from their nirvanic bliss and their rebirth has been addressed somewhere in the Mahayana abhidharmic literature (although I don't know where exactly).
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