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Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S. - Dhamma Wheel

Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

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Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby Jhana4 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:05 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby PeterB » Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:49 pm

The UK scene is changing to some degree. Although most providers are still employed by the state, and most facilities are still state owned, there is a growing partnership with the private sector...this is welcomed by the right and is a cause for great concern for the left.
The Universal Healthcare scheme called in the UK The National Health Service has been and remains an inestimable boon to British citizens. From cradle to grave.
I didnt vote...it seems like an issue for US citizens to decide on for themselves.

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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:16 pm

Yes to universal health care, but with the option for private health care for those who want it.
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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:28 pm

Who says the UK has 'socialized [sic] medicine'? I had to pay £7.40 for a prescription of fexofenadine and it didn't even work. The healthcare system in the UK is very robust, but it isn't a free-for-all.

Edit: also, not all health care employees are government employees. That is simply not true. GPs can be self employed or work for private practices that accept NHS patients, as can dentists and other specialists. The private healthcare sector in this country is booming.

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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby PaulD » Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:39 pm

The Canadian system works perfectly for me.

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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby Jhana4 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:01 pm

:goodpost:
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby Jhana4 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:02 pm

It is interesting that so far most people think *any* universal care system would be better than what the U.S. has now.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby Dan74 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:20 am

I guess a lot of the Americans would be surprised how far down various lists they county is. The Quality of Living Survey, for instance, lists all three of the North American top 20 cities to be... you guessed it, in Canada.



To this biased observer, a lot of these phenomena are to do with the concentration of power and wealth in the hands of big corporate interests, that even Eisenhower warned about.
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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:54 am

I think liberals are aware of it, but feel stymied by the choke hold corporate America has over most things, sort of like the Catholic church in the Middle Ages. Right wing folks just refuse to see either that the US is not "number 1" or refuse to see what is responsible for that situation.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby Kim OHara » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:05 am

... which takes you straight back to the 'Occupy Wall St' thread .

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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby chownah » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:34 am

Universal health care would be great but it won't make people healthy.
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Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:40 pm

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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:17 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby Mawkish1983 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:41 pm

You also get a service that tests medicine to assess its effectiveness. People are happy to pay money for homeopathic remedies [sic] and other such hocus pocus bullshit, but the NHS in the UK will not pay for it because they have investigated the efficacy of such remedies [sic] and concluded that they are ineffective and a waste of money. Would a completely private healthcare system make such a distinction where money can be made?

I don't know the answers and I'm not being rhetorical, I'm just sharing some thoughts.

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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby PeterB » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:04 pm

Just to clarify that, there is an independent authority called the National Institute for Clinical Excellence which issues guidelines to the U.K.'s NHS on what represents value for money in terms of outcomes for patients .
It was they, ( who have no axe to grind..they just want to find cost effective remedies ) N.I.C.E. who after extensive investigations knocked homoeopathy and most " alternative " medicine into the long grass.

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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby David N. Snyder » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:54 pm

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Re: Poll: Universal Healthcare In The U.S.

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:56 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.


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