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New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

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Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:19 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:56 am

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:35 pm

Greetings Jhana4,

The challenges of efficient production and distribution of food is a problem to be solved by worldlings.

The root cause of dukkha however is not resolved by food, nor by one's diet - it is only to be resolved, once and for all, through the cessation of ignorance and craving, by those who renounce and transcend the world.

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Dan74 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:46 pm

Yeah, especially by the 22000 children that will die today and by over a billion people who cannot even sign their own name.
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Postby daverupa » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:38 pm

Given that the bulk of the Vinaya was crafted in response to lay criticism, I find the laity in a prime position to criticize the monastic community with the intention of ensuring that they (monastics) generate ariyapuggala as a primary concern. I find the idea that monastics are beyond lay criticism to be a dangerous misstep.

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby chownah » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:43 pm

Retrofuturist,
Do you look forward to the day when Theravada has transformed itself into a humanitarian relief organisation?......it is a pretty good fit.....the Buddha did teach the end of suffering so it makes sense that one way to lose the Dhamma is to morph it into a humanitarian relief organisation....ending suffering is what the Buddha taught so let's go take care of people so they don't suffer so much!!!............really......think about it.......just how will the Dhamma be lost?.....seems like this is a good candidate.......seems like a prestigious leader could do alot to push Theravada in that direction....
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Postby daverupa » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:58 pm

I remember watching an interview of a woman who was responding to the name change from Christian Children's Fund to ChildFund. She remarked that taking 'Christian' out of the name meant she would no longer be donating to their cause. It seems people really, really care about the name of their charity, so that is what I think about when 'Buddhist charity' gets mentioned, as here. Existing charitable infrastructure must be deemed insufficient to warrant another charity filling the gap, and I hardly think the lack of the term 'Buddhist' is a significant oversight. The inclusion of any specifically religious component detracts from what ought to be the primary concern of any charity.

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:42 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:51 pm

Every community I have ever been in has had a subculture and that subculture has been driven by the subject of that community tending to draw a certain kind of person to it. I'm not saying every individual in a community is the same, but I do think trends happen.

As far as western people with an interest in Buddhist meditation goes I would say there is a tendency to find people who are smart, introverted and who tend to withdraw from facing situations with strong feelings.

In my life experience nothing frightens and angers people like this ( and I write this having some of these tendencies myself ) more than having "their cloud" disturbed, especially with the possibility of having to get involved with other people. Nothing does that as much as political causes focused on helping the unfortunate. Scary as hell. A lot of ugly things to be faced, instead of avoided by sitting in a meditation hall. Bhikkhu Bodhi by setting an example, I think, stepped on a raw nerve.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Nicro » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:26 pm

Another topic going nowhere. Awesome!

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby phil » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:28 pm

In a way it's good that it's become even clearer that he is not following the orthodoxy anymore. There is a tendency to give great authoritative weight to the commentarial notes he adds to his translations, and his liberality when it comes to rejecting classical commentarial explanations has gone unchallenged because of that. It was ckear something was amiss when he wrote in his intro to Samyutta Nikaya that Abhidhamma was not the teaching of the Buddha. Fair opinion, but not for a monk in his position.
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(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:46 pm

This is one of the most sad and painfully disheartening threads I have read in a very long time. Poor Ven Bodhi, just does not live up to anyone's expectations of what a true Buddhist monk should be like, and I pity the poor hungry man looking for a little relief from those who must meditate at all costs. If this were what Theravada was really like, I'd quit it in a heart beat.

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Re: New Bhikkhu Bodhi Interview

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:51 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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