The Pure Land, Nibbana?

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The Pure Land, Nibbana?

Postby White Lotus » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:43 pm

Is the pure land entered in this life Nibbana on Earth? or is it just an altered state?
not that all things arnt already nibbana in a sense, even ignorance and delusion.

I am told that all of the Zen patriarchs entered 'the pure land' of Nibbana whilst in this life. i am told it is satisfying, stable and without fear, touched by glimpses of real beauty, seen in the miracle of the supposedly ordinary.

i would like to know more about this pure land. what can anyone say about it. is the pure land of the Zen patriarchs, nibbana experienced in this life? what conditions must be met in order to accord with this pure land. does one need to be enlightened to be in it?

i am told that there is absolute certainty of it when one has entered, sometimes discomfort is possible within it, but is suffering possible within the pure land?

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Re: The Pure Land, Nibbana?

Postby Huifeng » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:13 am

This is worth checking out (caution: PDF file link):

"On Pure Land Buddhism and Ch'an/Pure Land Syncretism in Medieval China," T'oung Pao 88, no. 4-5 (June, 2003), pp. 282-331.

Thanks to some1 for pointing out the online links for Prof Sharf's articles.

As the article shows, in China at least, the distinction, if any at all, between Pureland and Chan, is not as great as many would make it out to be. And so-called "syncretism" is perhaps less of a later (eg. Song dynasty) development, as it is the original situation of Mahayana practice in China as a whole.
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Re: The Pure Land, Nibbana?

Postby KeithBC » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:35 pm

My understanding is that Pure Lands are samsaric realms where the conditions are ideal for studying and practicing the Dharma. Someone born in a Pure Land is pretty much guaranteed of reaching enlightenment in that lifetime. Hence the wish of many people to be reborn there. It is not Nirvana, but it is the next best thing to it.

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Re: The Pure Land, Nibbana?

Postby White Lotus » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:20 pm

Thank you Venerable Hui Feng and Keith!

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