Hidden Truths and Secrets in Buddhism

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Hidden Truths and Secrets in Buddhism

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Re: Cultivating both Body and Mind in Buddhism

Postby Astus » Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:06 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Cultivating both Body and Mind in Buddhism

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Re: Cultivating both Body and Mind in Buddhism

Postby Astus » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:41 am

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Cultivating both Body and Mind in Buddhism

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Re: Hidden Truths and Secrets in Buddhism

Postby Astus » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:23 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Hidden Truths and Secrets in Buddhism

Postby lobster » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:56 pm

What is secret and precious? Knowledge, examples, techniques, the results of practice is all recordable. The means to and experience of enlightenment can be alluded to but is not recordable. Many people are loaded with sutra, initiations, book learning and experiences arising from practice. The secret and precious, the ineffable alludes all grasping.

All one can do is laugh . . . maybe a little popcorn . . . :popcorn:
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Re: Hidden Truths and Secrets in Buddhism

Postby Astus » Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:59 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Hidden Truths and Secrets in Buddhism

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Re: Hidden Truths and Secrets in Buddhism

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Re: Hidden Truths and Secrets in Buddhism

Postby Karma Dorje » Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:47 pm

Because of the technological focus of our modern society, we have a tendency to reduce Dharma to a collection of techniques. However, the realization Dharma is not a technique. In tantra and other vehicles that take the result as the path, the realization Dharma is transmitted by a realized master to his or her student as the possibility to unfold in a certain way. This is different than saying that Prajnaparamita is beyond all concepts. What is key is the central focus on entering the state of the guru. This is self-secret in the sense that you could shout the principle from the rooftops and no one would understand, rather than kept in confidence.

There are also very definitely some secrets of interpretation of tantric texts that keep the uninitiated away from certain practices that might unbalance them if they try them without proper empowerment and instruction, but this is less important than the first point.
"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
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Re: Hidden Truths and Secrets in Buddhism

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Re: Hidden Truths and Secrets in Buddhism

Postby Astus » Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:40 pm

In the Anguttara Nikaya (3.131 / PTS: 1.282 / 3.129) the Paṭicchanna sutta says,

"Monks, there are these three things which are practiced in secret, not openly. What are they? The ways of womenfolk are secret, not open. Brahmins practice their chants in secret, not openly. Those of perverse views hold their views secretly, not openly. These are the three things. Monks, there are these three things which shine forth for all to see, which are not hidden. Which three? The disc of the moon shines for all to see; it is not hidden. The disc of the sun does likewise. The Dhamma-Discipline of a Tathagata shines for all to see; it is not hidden. These are the three things."
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"Bhikkhus, these three are carried away covered, not openly. What three? Women are carried away covered not openly. Brahmanical mutterings are done under cover and Wrong view is covered not made manifest. Bhikkhus, these three when made manifest shine. What three? Bhikkhus, the moon shines when manifest, the sun shines when manifest and the Teaching and Discipline declared by the Thus Gone One shines when manifest and not when covered. These three shine when manifest and not when covered."
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Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Hidden Truths and Secrets in Buddhism

Postby Namgyal » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:20 pm

:offtopic: ...but still very good to read about (thankyou Astus for reminding me about this extraordinary lady.)
http://www.metta.lk/english/sister-uppalavanna.html


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