Huseng wrote:It recently occurred to me that perhaps environmentalism completely failed to achieve its goals in education systems over the last few decades.
I've spoken to many friends from elsewhere in the world from Europe to Asia and it is much the same. Nothing changed despite education systems trying to install a mindset of environmental awareness in youth. Consumerism won that battle.
Anyone else have thoughts on this?
Thrasymachus wrote:Environmentalism is a movement created in highly technological societies after centuries of capitalism and unlocking the energy potential of first wood, then coal, then oil, then the atom. It is essentially saying: "wholly fawk, we are doing everything in," and advocates maybe we should make laughable reforms without stressing our expected levels of comfort. Environmentalism is totally irrelevant, it mostly about feeling good at worst, and destroying the global carrying capacity of the earth to sustain complex life a little bit more slowly, at best.
A much more pervasive movement will be needed, but will never develop. You cannot even convince the average Westerner it is socially acceptable to not be addicted to something or that ethics matters more than money.
kirtu wrote:Basically you are right as the core reasons for the environmental disaster were not addressed. The entire problem was reduced to aesthetic issue more or less rather than a complicated problem dealing with industrial/economic exploitation of resources and impending environmental collapse.
Huseng wrote:kirtu wrote:Basically you are right as the core reasons for the environmental disaster were not addressed. The entire problem was reduced to aesthetic issue more or less rather than a complicated problem dealing with industrial/economic exploitation of resources and impending environmental collapse.
And nothing is changing or has changed.
I think maybe there is disbelief as well.
In the 90s it was the ozone layer, now it is climate change.
Still, people carry on business as usual without these things visibly affecting them. It might take significant sea level rises to prompt actual conviction in people that the shit is hitting the fan.
KeithBC wrote:In the words of my neighbour, "We're f****d."
"The report is clear that we're still going downhill, that our ecological footprint, the pressure we put on the earth's resources, continues to rise so we're now using 50% more resources that the earth can replenish and biodiversity continues to decline," said Jim Leape, Director General of WWF International.
Huseng wrote:The whole system is setup so that if we did what needed to be done we'd fail economically. If we do what we're doing now, we're ecologically doomed.
KeithBC wrote:.The best thing that could happen would be a controlled economic decline, which might prevent the inevitable collapse. And, at the same time, would mitigate the environmental damage we are doing. Why is that considered unthinkable?
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