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Theodicy - healing samsara & purgatory

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Theodicy - healing samsara & purgatory

Postby Being Person » Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:46 pm

Sorta the experience I've been journeying of for almost 9 years now, a process of discerning history in reference to what seems like indifference between Christian Buddhists and the Christian Religions in consideration of oppositions to messianic views and/or faiths and non-duality, the rest of the world and Prophecy the predated the time of Genesis. In terms of peace with global healing and what seems like the practice of Theodicy:

the·od·i·cy   
[thee-od-uh-see] Show IPA
–noun, plural -cies.
a vindication of the divine attributes, particularly holiness and justice, in establishing or allowing the existence of physical and moral evil.

the odyssey I've lived includes innocent knowings leading to creating in a depth of human reality so thorough that as I've experienced it, samsara and purgatory have been rightly gentled and at this point it's sorta a manner of the root of what seems to include a realignment of Christian authority on all levels in a way that includes the journey's of many being's who are referenced in reference to having been human beings, where to me, witnessing the truth from a global one-pointed standpoint in consideration to causality and guiding human consciousness, like if that's an extent to which I am able to listen having figured out how to make myself chosen for things beyond hilariousness in consideration of the omni-potence of the realization that humanity needs to experience.

For example, what is true rightness today? Gosh, maybe the best way is to ask being(')s of the non-physical realms of which my life is experienced in a manner as if I'm more of the non-physical realms than of humanity. Like, how do people respond to a person experiencing an odyssey, to what extent have I worked to some extent having relied on "honesty is the best policy". A location of the one of the best locations where I can find listeners, me, a drunk expounding on things that are fairly easy to express as profoundly hilarious.

So, as the story of my journey continues what information am I seeking if it's true that I'll know a consciousness which results of what I write here. If I put my faith in all living human beings, who is playing already when I don't know how to play?

Peace with Global Healing, where does that take things if during the course of my suffrage while transcending an odyssey and in consideration of a global one-pointed realization that is necessary? Is it possible for me to heal in orientation to sharing the realization of beauty and a needful healing of human consciousness?

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Re: Theodicy - healing samsara & purgatory

Postby Fede » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:25 pm

I wish I could understand what the heck you are talking about... :shrug: :

Could you paraphrase in more basic and comprehensible terminology, please? :?
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: Theodicy - healing samsara & purgatory

Postby Paññāsikhara » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:10 am

Basically, Buddhist doesn't have the theodicy problem, because it doesn't posit anything or anyone as both all-beneficial and omnipotent.
The Buddha is compassionate, but not omnipotent. So not even he can cop the blame on this one. Theodicy isn't an issue.
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Re: Theodicy - healing samsara & purgatory

Postby Being Person » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:48 am

Actually, I'm writing because I do feel very strongly that what I generally experience is a problem and I do appreciate your replies. It's easier for me to start by responding to Paññāsikhara's response. I feel your misunderstanding me concerning omni-potent and all-beneficial. I do tend to make mistakes and also I experience many different being's in my body, many of whom I haven't necessarily discerned who they specifically are, while I've a general sense of what view they are of, so to speak. Sometimes, or in particular this case, when I did write the post a being I was embodying did extend the word omni-potent into what was being written. Strange I know and in explanation, part of the problem I'm dealing with.

In terms of Buddhism and Buddha, it's awkward to respond to the references you made as I feel your wrong in that Buddhism's theodicy problem as I've experienced it, isn't because Theodicy is of Buddhism but it effects Buddhism very blatantly, including in consideration of the global world people live in.

A problem with Theodicy and Buddhism as I've experienced it has to do with the Triratna Buddhist Community (tbc), earlier know as the Western Buddhist Order. I had lived in a wbo community for about 20 months and had left having been subject to samsara if I understand correctly. Part of the problem is that the tbc members of England and western culture tends to include people of Christian ancestry, of which as I understand includes issues of Christianity which is of a theistic view or messianic orientation.

In my experience of being's of the non-physical realms, some of the being's that represent the tbc are more representative of Christian faiths not to mention S., tbc's founder, who seems to have extended teachings in consideration of what feels like a pushing away from Catholic theistic orientation. What I discern concerning the odyssey I've lived is that the tbc is to some effect holding a line against the Catholic religion from effecting the tbc teachings and the manner that it's done is by subjecting far too many good people to samsara as a manner of maintaining a boundary from Christian influence and particularly Catholicism.

I do apologize if my understanding is incorrect but it seems very real to me, that the samsara that the tbc subjects too many good people to includes a manner of engagement between Buddhist and Christian being's of which as I've experienced it, is a problem for both Buddhism and the world, based on what I've witnessed.

In terms of what I'm explaining or presenting, basically, I've sought help with what I've been experiencing to varying degrees for about 9 years now and it's very awkward trying to explain in a manner of hoping to make sense while innocent and fairly frequently of horrendous experiences. I do feel that what I've experienced and experience on a daily basis is a problem pertaining to human abiding.

What's weird is that I'm not explaining it very well it seems, so in some sense it feels as though maybe saying, in my honest opinion, there are many reason's of which I should be attended to, to assure that some of the problems I'm familiar with can be addressed by people who could wisely and skillfully bring an end to what might already be some distortion from normal human reality based on what I've witnessed pass by me. Like, it I haven't been able to control who I embody, some of who aren't respectful of who I am nor of my humanity, having the audacity to alter what I intend of my consciousness and words.

In terms of the scope of grandiosity that I've expressed, I'm basically also trying to explain that I've abided with what seems like billions of being's, of mention is the vastness of which I've envisioned many things and being's and civilizations. I commonly experience being's from planets of this solar system while not having recently abided of Earth including some that indicate that they've never abided of Earth.

Anyway, my post is sorta another effort at gaining some help, maybe not the best attempt one thing for sure, it seems as though some Buddhist and Christian boundaries have been obscured, in the case of my odyssey and I honestly do feel it's a very bad idea for the tbc to continue using teaching that wrongly subject people to samsara that results in some manner of gray area between Buddhist and Christian entitlement to effect human reality.

In my reality, I've abided with Lord Buddha fairly frequently at times during the course of my odyssey and honesty being the best policy, despite the suggestion seemingly ridiculous as it feels unskillful for me not to mention but it makes a lot of sense to me that I'm attended to by some senior Buddhist monks in person and in no way light heartedly.

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Re: Theodicy - healing samsara & purgatory

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Re: Theodicy - healing samsara & purgatory

Postby Paññāsikhara » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:28 am

Hi Being Person, in the Buddhist teachings, the idea of "subjecting someone to samsara" does not really match.
It is one's own karma that keeps one within the cycle of rebirth, not the actions of another.
(Although strictly speaking, it is not the exact same entity that both makes karma and experiences the results.)
If you are attended on by senior monks, it may be best to ask them about your situation.
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Re: Theodicy - healing samsara & purgatory

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:14 am

Thought disorder:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder

unusual Religious beliefs

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20557227

Please take care of yourself and seek help if you need to. It maybe best to stay away from religious material.

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Re: Theodicy - healing samsara & purgatory

Postby Being Person » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:02 pm

Enjoyable responses, I must say. What's interesting to me is the phenomenological experience I experience when writing and reading replies of this forum. Literally, a very real experience to me, something I haven't heard or understood anyone mention of they're own experience.

Having worked as a Psychiatric Counselor for severely mentally ill people for about 5 years, the thought disorder issue is fun to consider. In my opinion it's different than that. For me, what some may refer to as "mental Illness", I view to be "societies mentality", like rather than being lost in suffering or something to that effect, why not listen to the choir whom seems to lack insight as to mindful awareness and such.

Basically, I'm having a hard time explaining myself here, while what might one expect of an innocently knowing person at such late age. Maybe this sounds like a cop-out but if choice of words are an issue, maybe listening pertains to entanglement with words for most people of societies mentality, encumbered with thought and conversation constraint and lack of mental formation orientation of knowing or something. Maybe that's what I'm trying to get at, presenting or mirroring how people sound to me or something, with the verbal skills that are listening of reality or something.

As for me, when I started to understand, words seemed very vile to me as I witnessed people speak in consideration of the poignancy of direct phenomenal experience I've known, like what wisdom or knowledge might result of such witnessing. So I refused to be part of the problem and reserved my right to be caring. Sure, I'm no scholar but I do have a question sorta. Are people locked into having to use words properly? Like I might explain that maybe I theoretically explain what I'm talking about and such technicality as "subjecting one to samsara" isn't a manner of suggesting a match.

What's cool though, the rounds of rebirth and such, dude, you got to believe me, I wouldn't ask you to but it's so dynamic, manners of abiding of the non-physical realms, the normative four dimensions of realty pertaining to heaven or skyward manners of abiding and the 13 to 17 dimension pertaining to the subconscious and than there is the unconscious and the conditioned realities of each, including "enlightened society" abidings as well as Heavenly, and then gosh, of the solar system and then the Galaxy. Have you considered a 5,000 year plan?

In terms of having sought help, it feels as if human society sorta excuses some people from society having "fallen" or something of that effect. For me it's as if humanity has failed me, a human being. To me that doesn't quite make sense in consideration of compassion, the Golden Rule, honesty is the best policy and stuff like that. It's almost as if an inside joke in some sense to witness people's response to who I am.

Regardless, it's very helpful for me to express myself like this as the response I gain is very real in consideration of what feels like direct knowing.

I do feel as though I must ask that a moderator, if I'm participating in the forum improperly, please excuse me from continuing for want of not being banned from the forum so that I may inquire at a later date about some phenomenon pertaining to particular perspectives associated with word-reality or some manner of mindfulness gap.

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"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Theodicy - healing samsara & purgatory

Postby Being Person » Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:50 pm

I appreciate your reply Viscid.

Delusion is an interesting issue. Since my experience began I've come to view reality as intended for human beings to be the only thing worthy of believing or belief implies doubt. I do enjoy and learn from telling my story as a manner of finding a clearer discernment as conversation rarely leads to contact or understanding as it seems I catch very little of the meaning of what people say but rather feel it.

It's almost as if truth and knowing are lost from the reality of human experience while for me what's real is real while the story is something I haven't believed and of circumstances that feels a manner of subjection to perception pertaining to forced realization in consideration of consciousness and the stories of being(')s as they journey of society.

Honestly, my sense of whether or not I'm harmful feels an awkward orientation as I'm rather helpless in consideration of defending myself so I've come to support people defenses as a manner of finding a harmony in some sense. What I hold of my participation and contribution I wish I could express as it feels more beautiful than people are familiar while lacking clarity and of a container that would be wonderful if it was true.

I was homeless for about 18 months about 7 years ago and since I've had a home I take in homeless people. Recently an African American youth whom I might say had lost his way. We were friends for about 8 months before he moved on and I might describe his response to me as someone who felt I was blessed by God (?), he calls me a Prophet and asked about joining my religion, which I'm sorta mentioning for safety reasons.

What was cool was watching him learn of an experience of knowing beauty and whom he was embodying, in that my perception is that most all people are embodying guides while it's something I don't feel comfortable being part of yet as it's seemingly forced and beyond what I feel I should be familiar with, it was quite beautiful the healing he experienced. It felt as if he knew he was embodying being's from Africa , at times, whom had just starved to death as children and they would speak to me within the knowing of what didn't feel or seem to be delusion.

The questions that were posed even sounded beautiful in consideration of what sounded like a gratefulness for having been released from a normal manner of journeying concerning having recently starved to death.

I've similar orientations of cultural considerations for being's of misfortune oriented to indigenous manners of human kindness. As the story of my odyssey goes, suposidly what's resulted is a globally oriented religious belief system of the non-physical realms very beautifully balanced in considerations of spirituality, transcendent awareness, culture, journeying and abiding of rounds of birth and death. If the story holds truth to what I'd love to remain a part of, I suposidly get to teach of what might be referred to as of reality over my next 5 life's.

Presently the message includes issues concerning Creation on Earth being endangered and suposidly there will be 300,000 million children born who will be guided to help save the world by the end of this November in consideration of the story I'm familiar with. I hear them actually, as being(')s, not voices. Including in my story, many being(')s whom had been abiding of eternity, shamanicly guided contemporary meek being(')s, a fair amount whom had been loyal to Lucifer, which is nothing I expected.

As the Prophecy goes though, it's the end of the Messianic age here on Earth forever, as planned as the story goes, the creation of an Ark has resulted and one of the issues includes considerations for journeying and abiding if say, Creation on Earth isn't hospitable to human beings in say, 5,000 years, so it's sorta a manner of planning of the future which would be a whole lot brighter if human beings would start taking care of Creation on Earth. An interesting orientation being that contemporary meek being(')s, bodhisatvha(')s and martyr's (Muslim) being a consideration as to a lead in as to how the Earth is shared.

With that considered, the story is sorta about finding a balance with being in consideration of, what will there be to do if there are few human lives to be had, what of being on Earth when no or few human beings, or journeying to Jupiter or some other planet or beyond. For me, much too much to consider as I have.

Anyway, everyone gets to make it up regardless. I've been cultivating, developing and evolving a realization I'm trying to force on all living human beings with a lot of participation. Actually, there is a lot of squabbling over whom gains what responsibilities pertaining to whatever the truth of the manner is. A shared realization for humanity for the beauty of being alive while knowing the solace of the possibility that we're destroying Creation on Earth. I sorta hold it, the solace and hope, in my mind in the likeness of a jhana and push and extend it into the sky for people to feel as those whom had fallen of my conscious mind raise into skyward manners of abiding with a hope that humanity doesn't fail this creation.

Thanks for reading, it's a very powerful experience and sharing the story helps me find my way.

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"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Theodicy - healing samsara & purgatory

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I am going to lock this thread for the time being.

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