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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby Will » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:52 pm

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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby catmoon » Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:26 pm

Ha more grist for my mill.

It's an interesting picture this fellow is painting, but I am unsure if he has it right. It would not surprise me to find large scale electrical phenomenae in a place like the Orion Nebula, but I'd like to see a more detailed model and more supporting data.

Lovely picture, though. And it is clear evidence that something unexpected is going on. Thanks, Will.
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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby Will » Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:40 pm

Although there seems little connection between plasma cosmology & buddhadharma, that may not be so. The old saying about the microcosm reflects the macrocosm, is, in this case the electrical nature of man (nadis, chakras etc in our subtle body) reflecting the electro-magnetic plasma universe.
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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby Will » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:03 am

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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby catmoon » Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:48 pm

Beautiful stuff, but phrases like "the electrical energy that powers the star" worry me. It's not enough to have a new theory, the theory has to be predictive, and it has to predict better than the old theory.

I don't give this site a lot of credibility. The journal articles were much better. I think untrained people are jumping on the bandwagon and damaging the basic premises.
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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby Will » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:20 pm

You may well be right, I just do not have the education to know the best site. I only sense some important notions in this stuff.

Anyway, if you or anyone else has the knowledge to follow these journal articles, enjoy. And then please try to translate for the doltish lay folks what you can.

http://www.plasmauniverse.info/papers.h ... cialIssues
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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby Will » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:41 pm

Predictability is a big deal in science and the Big Bang is the biggest deal in Cosmology. Here is a short piece considering the so-called confirmation of the Big Bang by the Cosmic background average temperature of 2.73K:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/ ... cience.htm
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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby viniketa » Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:15 pm

Will wrote:Plasma currents in space: http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/04 ... -creation/


When this article gets to here:

No further study is required when one considers the Electric Star hypothesis, however. Instead of mechanical action (heated gas), the Orion Nebula’s radiant emanations are due to a boost in the current that powers the central stars.


One has to do a double-take. Whenever a hypothesis is supposed to take the place of further study, there's a problem...

Nothing wrong with speculative science, it's where new theories are born. Here is some speculation on how superplasma might be involved in a 'Cosmic Superorganism' (at a level most anyone can understand):

http://youtu.be/0gA_3pGmzTs
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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby Will » Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:56 pm

I may have seen this Morgan Freeman narration when broadcast, but do not have time to watch it now. But if the show is suggesting that the vital force in biological organisms is the key to cosmology, then that is great!

Chi or prana not only pervades we humans, but all the Universe.

Whether the Plasma Cosmologists go that far, I do not know. They seem to emphasize observation over mathematical theories, but still, most of what I have read is couched in terms of 'non-living' magnetism, electricity, plasma currents - forces & energies.

But we shall see what the near future holds.
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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby viniketa » Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:04 am

Will wrote:I may have seen this Morgan Freeman narration when broadcast, but do not have time to watch it now. But if the show is suggesting that the vital force in biological organisms is the key to cosmology, then that is great!

Chi or prana not only pervades we humans, but all the Universe.

Whether the Plasma Cosmologists go that far, I do not know. They seem to emphasize observation over mathematical theories, but still, most of what I have read is couched in terms of 'non-living' magnetism, electricity, plasma currents - forces & energies.

But we shall see what the near future holds.


Oh... I didn't understand that the interest was in plasma as chi. No, this film does not go there, at all, sorry.

Just out of curiosity, why specifically plasma as opposed to other forms of energy? Perhaps I am missing something... :thinking:

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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby Will » Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:10 am

Why plasma? Firstly plasma is has magnetic & electric properties. Secondly, it can be reproduced in the lab and Thirdly, the way plasma acts in the lab can be seen writ large in the Cosmos.

This series - the Essential Guide to the Electric Universe can get very technical & deep, but go as far as you want and see if anything appeals to your mind or intuition:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/eg-contents/
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Re: synchrotron radiation

Postby Will » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:02 pm

At the center of our Milky Way incredible amounts of synchrotron radiation exist. The conventional theory is 'dark matter'. Here is a better explanation, based on experiments, not math theory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-03lh_tHMJ0
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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby catmoon » Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:09 am

I sure hope the cranks pouring into the field don't steal the ideas away from the legit scientists. Anyhow thanks for the link, it presents a powerful argument that I have never heard answered.
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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby Will » Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:15 am

catmoon wrote:I sure hope the cranks pouring into the field don't steal the ideas away from the legit scientists. Anyhow thanks for the link, it presents a powerful argument that I have never heard answered.


My worry is that 'legit scientists' will continue to use the 'cranks in the field' notion to scoff at and ignore the argument.
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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby catmoon » Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:27 am

Will wrote:
catmoon wrote:I sure hope the cranks pouring into the field don't steal the ideas away from the legit scientists. Anyhow thanks for the link, it presents a powerful argument that I have never heard answered.


My worry is that 'legit scientists' will continue to use the 'cranks in the field' notion to scoff at and ignore the argument.


The mainstream may just try to label the whole field crank science, true. But there is at the core, a group of ordinary thinkers trained in ordinary science who are saying, look, electromagnetics can't be simply ignored in the universe at large. And they are referring to real experiments published in real journals and books by real icons of the scientific world. They are really just accepting the data, which is telling us that no known form of matter corresponds to the putative properties of dark matter. So they say "fine, let's assume there is no dark matter and see if anything else could explain the data... oh look here's electromagnetism. That might do it."

Do you know of any responses from the powers that be? I haven't heard a peep in response.
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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby Will » Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:42 am

I am closer to cranks than any 'powers' that be.

Did you notice that the British scientist in the video, who was mildly suggesting that his peers pay serious attention, was retired? Bet he said nothing while wedded to 'legit' science earlier in his career. Only now will he speak up - par for the course.

That being said, I do think a huge shift toward Plasma studies in astronomy will happen in the next 3 years.
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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby catmoon » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:57 am

You know, I really think the only thing stopping a rush into plasma cosmology is training. The equations of plasma physics are devilishly hard to solve, and I wonder how many astronomers are trained to do that sort of thing. OTOH they are doing marvelous simulations of convection and nuclear reactions in the Sun so they do have the expertise to do detailed and accurate numerical simulations.
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Re: Electric Universe scholarships

Postby Will » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:05 pm

Speaking of training; here is a chance to foster it. In January a conference on this new paradigm will occur. To get poor, young, science-inclined folks to attend, scholarships are being offered. Donations are being collected, so if one wishes to help, every little bit will be welcomed:

http://www.indiegogo.com/EUscholarship
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Re: Plasma Cosmology

Postby Will » Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:55 pm

Details about the New Mexico conference in January: http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/09 ... -speakers/
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