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banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby klqv » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:33 pm

no idea why!

to be honest, i've felt like the moderators have been unkind / harassing me for like a year... i don't understand it! i never say anything intentionally malicious, so i don't see why i should be treated like that.


has anyone else experienced this kind of bullsh1t on a supposedly buddhist website :namaste: ?

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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby Mr. G » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:35 pm

There are members from that site here, perhaps they can assist. Do you have example posts you've made?
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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby klqv » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:37 pm

take your pick!


one day i got drunk and had a go at a friend i have on there... you have my word that that's the only time i've ever deliberately been anything but thought provoking or humorous. i told them that i have suffered mental ill health before, and while they may have in their heads been more lenient to me because of this, i suspect it also means that they don't listen to my explanation of what i was trying to say, whenever someone reports one of my posts.

so i sound paranoid??

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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby gad rgyangs » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:37 pm

klqv wrote:has anyone else experienced this kind of bullsh1t on a supposedly buddhist website :namaste: ?


you're joking right? have you ever heard of e-sangha? :rolling:
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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby Mr. G » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:51 pm

klqv wrote:take your pick!


one day i got drunk and had a go at a friend i have on there... you have my word that that's the only time i've ever deliberately been anything but thought provoking or humorous. i told them that i have suffered mental ill health before, and while they may have in their heads been more lenient to me because of this, i suspect it also means that they don't listen to my explanation of what i was trying to say, whenever someone reports one of my posts.

so i sound paranoid??


No, I personally don't know how moderation works on that forum. I believe there are moderators over there that also participate here.
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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby Malcolm » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:51 pm

gad rgyangs wrote:
klqv wrote:has anyone else experienced this kind of bullsh1t on a supposedly buddhist website :namaste: ?


you're joking right? have you ever heard of e-sangha? :rolling:



The funny thing is they all quit e-sangha because we were too "draconian" -- but from what I hear, they have instituted very draconion policies.

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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby Fruitzilla » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:25 pm

Namdrol wrote:
gad rgyangs wrote:
klqv wrote:has anyone else experienced this kind of bullsh1t on a supposedly buddhist website :namaste: ?


you're joking right? have you ever heard of e-sangha? :rolling:



The funny thing is they all quit e-sangha because we were too "draconian" -- but from what I hear, they have instituted very draconion policies.

N


I always figured you and Nonin had more in common than you both wanted to admit......

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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby Malcolm » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:43 pm

Fruitzilla wrote:I always figured you and Nonin had more in common than you both wanted to admit......


One thing people really don't undertand is that I virtually had no hand in making the policies of E-Sangha.

I was just a convientient person to blame.

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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby Fruitzilla » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:51 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Fruitzilla wrote:I always figured you and Nonin had more in common than you both wanted to admit......


One thing people really don't undertand is that I virtually had no hand in making the policies of E-Sangha.

I was just a convientient person to blame.

N


I have no insight into the internal affairs of the moderating team.
You did seems pretty pivotal in the prevailing culture over there though.

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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby conebeckham » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:53 pm

I was a mod at E-Sangha.
Namdrol speaks the truth.


Of course, everyone needs a scapegoat when they're disatisfied! :thinking:
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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby Malcolm » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:54 pm

Fruitzilla wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Fruitzilla wrote:I always figured you and Nonin had more in common than you both wanted to admit......


One thing people really don't undertand is that I virtually had no hand in making the policies of E-Sangha.

I was just a convientient person to blame.

N


I have no insight into the internal affairs of the moderating team.
You did seems pretty pivotal in the prevailing culture over there though.


No more so than here.

The fact is that E-sangha was too big, and trying to wear too many hats, being everything to everyone. The fact that it fell apart and reconstituted itself into three separate forums completely makes sense.

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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby Malcolm » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:17 pm

Fruitzilla wrote:Funny that there's a Theravada, a Mahayana(actually mostly Vajrayana) and a Zen forum by the way. Three pretty different interpretations/temperaments it seems.


That is pretty much exactly how it was at E-Sangha. What made people unhappy was that most of the mods were Tibetan Buddhists, even though we tried hard to have team balanced between Zen, TB and Theravada.

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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby catmoon » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:02 am

I was wandering around ZFI and it seemed to me that their standards are very high. I wouldn't even try to post something chatty or irreverent there.
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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby Virgo » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:31 am

Ah to heck with it. Don't be mad or jealous. Become a hippie, like me.

too much intensity messes with ya!!!!!

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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby DarwidHalim » Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:13 pm

This kind of ban or warning is very normal. I also got it, hahaha.

Get ban or no ban, get warning or no warning, when we look at it, actually no difference.
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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby daelm » Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:19 pm

Namdrol wrote:
gad rgyangs wrote:
klqv wrote:has anyone else experienced this kind of bullsh1t on a supposedly buddhist website :namaste: ?


you're joking right? have you ever heard of e-sangha? :rolling:



The funny thing is they all quit e-sangha because we were too "draconian" -- but from what I hear, they have instituted very draconion policies.

N



this is SERIOUS! I THINK CONCERNED MEMBERS OF THE INTERNETS SHOULD * IMMEDIATELY* CREATE FIVE APPARENTLY UNRELATED WEB-PAGES DENOUNCING THESE FORUMS!!!! USING DAY-GLO FONTS!!!! DO IT NOW. THIS IS THE END OF WESTERN BUDDHISM!!!@@!!!!

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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby Mr. G » Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:47 pm

daelm wrote:this is SERIOUS! I THINK CONCERNED MEMBERS OF THE INTERNETS SHOULD * IMMEDIATELY* CREATE FIVE APPARENTLY UNRELATED WEB-PAGES DENOUNCING THESE FORUMS!!!! USING DAY-GLO FONTS!!!! DO IT NOW. THIS IS THE END OF WESTERN BUDDHISM!!!@@!!!!


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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby DGA » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:28 pm

catmoon wrote:I was wandering around ZFI and it seemed to me that their standards are very high. I wouldn't even try to post something chatty or irreverent there.


Yeah, I'd say their standards are simultaneously very specific and a bit fuzzy too. They want to keep it focused on Zen, but there seems to be some vacillation (or just a very tight definition) for what counts as a "Zen perspective." I don't try to post there anymore as a consequence.

Apropos of culture: the ZFI board is increasingly sage-on-the-stage in function. That is, you come to the board to pose a question to an authority, who dispenses an answer, and you're done. I prefer a more democratic discussion-based model such as the one here at DW.

All this is to say that I agree with Fruitzilla on principle if not on the particulars. Discussion boards do have cultures and those are often determined by the formal and informal structures of authority and legitimation in the leadership. I think the problem Fruitzilla is describing is more prevalent at ZFI than DW, though (if I understand Fruitzilla correctly).
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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby Mr. G » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:49 pm

    How foolish you are,
    grasping the letter of the text and ignoring its intention!
    - Vasubandhu

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Re: banned from zenforuminternational...

Postby Mr. G » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:19 am

I'm not a member there, but knowledgeable members like Venerable Hui Feng and Anders Honore are. I'm glad that they share their knowledge here as well.
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