Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby Sherab » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:47 am

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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby Virgo » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:17 pm

Took it last night but didn't post the results. I was in between negative 5 and negative 6 in both areas.

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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:34 pm

Virgo wrote:Took it last night but didn't post the results. I was in between negative 5 and negative 6 in both areas.

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Hi Kevin,

It looks like you have gone through some big changes recently!

I remember when you were a regular at Dhamma Wheel (Theravada forum) you were very conservative, quoting Madison, other founding fathers, and praising Senator Rubio, who is very, very conservative, perhaps even a neo-con. And philosophically, you were more of a Classical type Theravadin.

What happened? Did you see the light? :tongue:
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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby conebeckham » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:37 pm

Economic left/right--6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -5.28

I was frankly surprised that my economic markers were so far left. I've always thought of myself as a more moderate person, from a fiscal POV. I guess not!

No surprise re the second set though...
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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby Virgo » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:47 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:
Virgo wrote:Took it last night but didn't post the results. I was in between negative 5 and negative 6 in both areas.

Kevin


Hi Kevin,

It looks like you have gone through some big changes recently!

I remember when you were a regular at Dhamma Wheel (Theravada forum) you were very conservative, quoting Madison, other founding fathers, and praising Senator Rubio, who is very, very conservative, perhaps even a neo-con. And philosophically, you were more of a Classical type Theravadin.

What happened? Did you see the light? :tongue:

I have changed a lot.

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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby Sherab Dorje » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:12 pm

conebeckham wrote:I was frankly surprised that my economic markers were so far left.
You probably said something pinko like "all people should have equal access to medical treatment regardless of their economic capacity"... or some other such lefty nonsense.
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One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby conebeckham » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:23 pm

Oh, yes I did!!! :shrug: :smile:
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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:58 pm

Greetings,

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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51

Maitri,
Retro. :)
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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby Dechen Norbu » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:03 pm

That's a matter of being human, I'd say. Health should be a right for everyone, not mattering how rich one is. A medicine for the rich and another for the poor is cruel beyond words.
We need to support each other, even those who don't do much to deserve it. It's their ignorance blinding them, among other things. Afflictions aren't intrinsic and we don't know the circumstances that lead them to where they are. Society is not a meritocracy. The virtuous seldom are the rich. We too have lots of karma and never know when due to circumstances we will reap its effects. Nobody is pure or above others. We are all in the same boat, samsara. Giving luxuries to those who contribute nothing to society is something I am against because it just encourages bad habits. But taking care of everyone, which includes providing the same medical standards independently of one's wealth, is fundamental if we are to be considered decent folk.

I think I'll take that test... :lol:
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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby Dechen Norbu » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:25 pm

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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby Sönam » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:51 pm

At least it's positive to see that the majority of us is -/- ... also I must have the highest score : -9.00/-7.33

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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby catmoon » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:53 am

gregkavarnos wrote:
conebeckham wrote:I was frankly surprised that my economic markers were so far left.
You probably said something pinko like "all people should have equal access to medical treatment regardless of their economic capacity"... or some other such lefty nonsense.


What you've come over all right wing Greg? Hokay, I guess you are now against bank bailouts and want Greece to get off the Eurodollar dole?
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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby LastLegend » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:31 am

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I don't know what those numbers mean. But I think there should be a balance amongst left right social libertarian authoritarian. Not all left ideas are bad, not all right are ideas are bad, not all social libertarian are bad, and not all authoritarian are bad. Not all of these ideas are good either. And my belief is the government should care for its people regardless of its form. So morality should be the principal focus of the government. Be it kingship, democracy, or whatever. And I am very biased to think that Buddhist teachings can be very good for the government to practice.
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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby Sherab Dorje » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:07 am

catmoon wrote:
gregkavarnos wrote:What you've come over all right wing Greg?
Well CM, I challenge you to give me one fiscally sound reason for poor people not to die on the streets of curable diseases. Well?
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As for this
Hokay, I guess you are now against bank bailouts...
That's the problem with the designations left and right wing. Is a bank bailout left wing or right wing? It is socialist for the state to interfere in the functioning of a private corporation, but at the same time throwing wads of money at rich people ain't exactly left wing is it? So? How exactly to define the situation? An economic liberal would say it is auhoritarian for the state to interfere in the banking sector, but most economic liberals are bankers or "friends" of bankers. A "left" socialist would say that propping up the private sector (banks) at the expense of the public sector (state) is authoritarian and right wing. :rolleye:

Personally I am against bank bailouts unless the bailout is accompanied by a proportional buy out of the shares of the bank by the state. Nationalisation I think some call it. If the state is going to give money then it should do so by purchasing stocks in the bank (and when the stock ratio is high enough, controlling the bank). Terms, like the compulsory selling (with a profit, of course) of the banks shares back to private investors when stocks rise beyond a certain value (say 100% of the value of the stock price that the state brought at) would be fair. But freely giving wads of taxpayers money to a bunch of losers that bankrupted a bank because of their greed and desire... NO!

...and want Greece to get off the Eurodollar dole?
No, Greece should not leave the Euro and its financial support mechanisms but there should be MUCH stricter control by the EU of how Greece spends the money allocated to it by the EU. This would help overcome the rmapant corruption that exists in Greece. The control though should only be over the allocated funds, not the entire Greek state economy.

I say this becuase I have seen what happens with EU money in Greece. But don't kid yourself, when the "handouts" were happening, part of the package (for the private sector) was cumpolsory bank loans for a percentage of the total investment. There are those bankers again!!! For example an EU program I was in required 70% financing by my company, 15% by government (EU) grant and 15% by bank loan. Unfortunately the grant "vanished" and since we put all our cash into the business we were left, at the end, with the bank loan and a lack of liquidity.

This sort of s**t f****d up the Greek economy. On the other hand other politically connected private companies fudged the figures regarding private financial participtaion (ie they put in less than actually stated, some actually put in no money whatsoever) put the rest of the money into the loans and walked off with the handouts.

Left or right?
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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby Quiet Heart » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:41 am

:shrug:
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Down there with all the pinko-commie neo-liberal scum.

But some of those questions are so obvious that if you're used to taking "multiple choice" tests it's obvious how to bias the results to show what you want it to.
But I didn't do that.
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Re: Commie scums and capitalist pigs!!!

Postby Quiet Heart » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:05 am

Heruka wrote:churchill also said,

lady i may be drunk now, in the morning i will be sober, but you will still be ugly.

---------------------------

I believe that was to lady Astor.
She saw him and said,"Mr. Churchill. I believe you are drunk!"
Churchill's reply was,"Yes, madam I am drunk, and you are ugly. However, in the morning, I shall be sober."

Lady Astor really detested Churchill.
She once told him, "Mr. Churchill, I believe if i was married to you I'd put poison in your Tea in the morning."
Churchill's reply was. "Yes madam. And if I woke one morning knowing I was married to you; even if I knew you had put poison in my Tea, I'd drink it....gratefully."
Winnie was a master of the insult.
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