So this forum is comprised mostly of former New-Age hippies?

[padma norbu]

I just think it's kinda fun and funny that we are "arguing" about music here. I hope everyone is joking because I know I am.

These days I agree with miss fuddy duddy up there, the Food Eatah, about music. It could be another kind of cocaine... if I wasn't already pretty much over it. Music is mildly entertaining to me these days at best. I certainly won't pay to watch 4 guys act like doofuses on a stage.

[padma norbu]

At least this Maraism stuff gets condensed here in the lounge.

What's Maraism?

[padma norbu]

While dumb white boys and girls were getting wasted and waiting for change to occur via personal psychedelic experience there were people like this doing work for change
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpo11TxSdVg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGaRtqrlGy8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLzIsJqxC5I
and let's not forget
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhg6LxyTnY8

PS This punk song drove me to thinking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyvMdqvH ... re=related

u mad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_HD9dQch9g

[gregkavarnos]

u mad?

Madder than a hatter!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUEfIQjE ... 1DF60FA8C0

[padma norbu]

What do you think of Zappa, Greg? I always cringe when he comes up around new people because he put over 100 albums out (not to mention all the bootlegs), but it seems like most people are only familiar with "yellow snow" and his 70s bad boy dirty humor stuff. I really like the early Mothers, Läther, Hot Rats, Waka Jawaka, Burnt Weenie Sandwich, the late 80s material and the new posthumous releases of instrumental stuff along the lines of Hot Rats.

He's probably the one musician I will never really get tired of, but it has definitely been a slow progression of appreciation. (Took me a while to like the Dead, too, btw)

Here's some FZ tunes I like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CzTDwwh4nU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ1JcB4Iceo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWDE6-jpK0M

an anti-hippy tune:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU47shd3j_s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKUDdA6HOb8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKlAIhuXRLE

an anti-Vietnam song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO9dFbd0exc

Inca Roads:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN5OMoZRUhM

different version with lyrics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OURkogc_MkM

I could go on for a very long time listing Zappa favorites, but probably nobody would listen to more than a few seconds of one or two, so...

Anyway, here's one I could always relate to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVkHOScT8Kc

[edearl]

I just think it's kinda fun and funny that we are "arguing" about music here. I hope everyone is joking because I know I am.

These days I agree with miss fuddy duddy up there, the Food Eatah, about music. It could be another kind of cocaine... if I wasn't already pretty much over it. Music is mildly entertaining to me these days at best. I certainly won't pay to watch 4 guys act like doofuses on a stage.

I stopped going to concerts long before they started body searches. And, really quit seeking music after trying to play a few instruments but found I didn't have the knack. One does not need to search out music, however, sooner or later it finds you.

Zappa is a great one, too.

Metta.

[Chaz]

I've never taken illegal drugs. I've never even smoked a cigarette. I personally can't stand the damn things. The first time I got drunk on alcohol I was 28, and at a Gypsy Restaurant in Vienna. I didn't care for it and only drank it again less than a dozen times. I grew up in the 80's and read a lot about hippies in Rolling Stone. To read Rolling Stone you would think being a hippie was the best thing on earth.

Wasn't to bad. Music was awsome. Sex was frequent with multiple partners and little/no consequences. A 4-finger bag of mexican pot was $15. Gas was 20 cents per gallon. Pack of cirgarettes was 50 cents. Warm summer evening. Smoke a joint toss a frisbee in the park. Go to a party. Meet a nice girl. Hook up. Life was good.

I tried to see what the appeal was and listen to Bob Dylan and Peter, Paul, and Mary. That was all I needed to know about being a hippie.

Dylan and PP&M weren't what I'd call "hippie music". You shoulda been listening to Joplin, Hendrix, Zepplin, Airplane, the Who. Dylan, PP&M, Baez, even James Taylor and Cat Stevens were, while VERY good, folk musicians.

Hippie music is awful I thought.

I thought overall, it was quite the opposite. It was a lot more creative and imaginative that what passes for pop music today, I'll tell ya.

You'd have to be on drugs to like it.

That's simply not true.

I mean Rolling Stone says Bob Dylan is the best artist of all time. Really? The man sounds like a dying cow in a rainstorm.

I didn't care much for Dylan's singing myself, but he was and still is one hell of a songwriter. Unfortuneately only a handfull of artists could actually get away with covering Dylan. Hendrix pulled it off with Like a Rolling Stone, Positively 4th Street and All Along the Watch. Everyoine else pretty much screwed the pooch. Case in point: Guns and Roses butchering Knocking On Heavens Door. There ought to be laws to prevent that sort of shit. The only person who could do Dylan is Dylan.

I'll take the new wave/synth pop I grew up listing to in the 80's any day, over some man who can't even carry a tune. I have however been into new age. Damn you Shirley MacLaine, and your Out On a Limb book! After seeing the mini series and reading that book I became a crystal carrying, Edgar Cayce loving, Atlantis believing, UFO watching fanatic. I however am not ashamed of my new age background. If it wasn't for that I probably would have never tried to study Dharma. So maybe I should thank Shirley MacLaine instead.

New Age is okay, taken in small doses. NA music, is I think pretty good. It sometimes gets a little over-produced and the artists a little too cliched but I find it pleasant, strangely moving and is often even better after a couple bong hits of Buddha.

[gregkavarnos]

What do you think of Zappa, Greg?

Zappa, huh? Hmmmmm... I tend to put Zappa into the same category as Tom Waits (in terms of amazingly prolific and talented performers) I would say that Zappa, like Tom Waits is one of those performers that you have to make yourself like. No, not like force yourself, but you have to apply effort, to search, to listen, to listen again and then to decide of you really like them or not.

Sometimes I like them and other times they annoy the crap out of me, this is to be expected given the range of their "entertainment" capacity.

What you think of Fela Kuti? Another amazingly talented and prolific entertainer (and politician)... but within the confines of a certain "style" (of his own making)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-mUy6Mv ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geT2bYzvLcw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNmxOx0a ... re=related

[padma norbu]

I like Fela Kuti!

I like more music than I dislike, quite frankly. I am only picking on punk to take the opposite stance (since I also love hippy music!).

I can't believe anyone dislikes Bob Dylan, though, who's actually heard the classic albums... for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2wuPssClKs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5yQ8JJ8R9E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkyQIWZNDgk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbkkOmFvjJc

I have the same problem with Dylan I have with Zappa... too many favorites to make the best choice of which examples to share. Great songwriter... and I dig his singing. Not worbling off key at all. A true original people will imitate forever (Tallest Man On Earth, Deer Tick, etc.)

[padma norbu]

You'd have to be on drugs to like it.

That's simply not true.

99% of humanity would likely agree with Chaz here. That is the most absurd statement I've seen on this thread! Musicians everywhere still and forever will take drugs based on the music that was produced in the 60s. It's obviously no accident or coincidence: just check out the Beatles before and after LSD. The sadder thing is this is also true for heroin. No doubt about it, musicians get REAL GOOD after they go out of their minds on drugs. Strange, but true. Wonder why it works that way... Everyone likes drug-influenced music because pretty much all rock, jazz and blues musicians ever were on drugs at some point.

[gregkavarnos]

Look, let's get something straight here: I really like Hippy music.

I just don't like stereotypical hippy types (anymore than I like stereotypical punk/hip-hopper/raver... types)

I like and respect any type of music that possesses talent, flair, intelligence and imagination. I can listen to anything from classical to folk, to punk, to metal to (eh gads!) psychedelic, electro, anything... as long as it's intelligent and original.

Yes, even Bob Dylan!

Posers and wannabes though...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzY2Qcu5i2A

[Sönam]

I've never taken illegal drugs. I've never even smoked a cigarette. I personally can't stand the damn things. The first time I got drunk on alcohol I was 28, and at a Gypsy Restaurant in Vienna. I didn't care for it and only drank it again less than a dozen times. I grew up in the 80's and read a lot about hippies in Rolling Stone. To read Rolling Stone you would think being a hippie was the best thing on earth.

Wasn't to bad. Music was awsome. Sex was frequent with multiple partners and little/no consequences. A 4-finger bag of mexican pot was $15. Gas was 20 cents per gallon. Pack of cirgarettes was 50 cents. Warm summer evening. Smoke a joint toss a frisbee in the park. Go to a party. Meet a nice girl. Hook up. Life was good.

I tried to see what the appeal was and listen to Bob Dylan and Peter, Paul, and Mary. That was all I needed to know about being a hippie.

Dylan and PP&M weren't what I'd call "hippie music". You shoulda been listening to Joplin, Hendrix, Zepplin, Airplane, the Who. Dylan, PP&M, Baez, even James Taylor and Cat Stevens were, while VERY good, folk musicians.

Hippie music is awful I thought.

I thought overall, it was quite the opposite. It was a lot more creative and imaginative that what passes for pop music today, I'll tell ya.

You'd have to be on drugs to like it.

That's simply not true.

I mean Rolling Stone says Bob Dylan is the best artist of all time. Really? The man sounds like a dying cow in a rainstorm.

I didn't care much for Dylan's singing myself, but he was and still is one hell of a songwriter. Unfortuneately only a handfull of artists could actually get away with covering Dylan. Hendrix pulled it off with Like a Rolling Stone, Positively 4th Street and All Along the Watch. Everyoine else pretty much screwed the pooch. Case in point: Guns and Roses butchering Knocking On Heavens Door. There ought to be laws to prevent that sort of shit. The only person who could do Dylan is Dylan.

I'll take the new wave/synth pop I grew up listing to in the 80's any day, over some man who can't even carry a tune. I have however been into new age. Damn you Shirley MacLaine, and your Out On a Limb book! After seeing the mini series and reading that book I became a crystal carrying, Edgar Cayce loving, Atlantis believing, UFO watching fanatic. I however am not ashamed of my new age background. If it wasn't for that I probably would have never tried to study Dharma. So maybe I should thank Shirley MacLaine instead.

New Age is okay, taken in small doses. NA music, is I think pretty good. It sometimes gets a little over-produced and the artists a little too cliched but I find it pleasant, strangely moving and is often even better after a couple bong hits of Buddha.

Yes ... that is exactely what my bad english could'nt say

Sönam

[davcuts]

I've never taken illegal drugs. I've never even smoked a cigarette. I personally can't stand the damn things. The first time I got drunk on alcohol I was 28, and at a Gypsy Restaurant in Vienna. I didn't care for it and only drank it again less than a dozen times. I grew up in the 80's and read a lot about hippies in Rolling Stone. To read Rolling Stone you would think being a hippie was the best thing on earth.

Wasn't to bad. Music was awsome. Sex was frequent with multiple partners and little/no consequences. A 4-finger bag of mexican pot was $15. Gas was 20 cents per gallon. Pack of cirgarettes was 50 cents. Warm summer evening. Smoke a joint toss a frisbee in the park. Go to a party. Meet a nice girl. Hook up. Life was good.

I've never personally understood the appeal of drugs. They seem to take peoples conscience away. Some of the worst crimes ever committed where done under the influence of drugs. I also had a good friend become addicted to prescription drugs. She used to be an out going person, and the life of the party. All she does now is stay home and get high. Her lust for life is gone. I suppose I can understand taking drugs on occasion, but doing it only daily basis seems to ruin lives.

I tried to see what the appeal was and listen to Bob Dylan and Peter, Paul, and Mary. That was all I needed to know about being a hippie.

Dylan and PP&M weren't what I'd call "hippie music". You shoulda been listening to Joplin, Hendrix, Zepplin, Airplane, the Who. Dylan, PP&M, Baez, even James Taylor and Cat Stevens were, while VERY good, folk musicians.

Hippie music is awful I thought.

I call that rock music. If that's hippie music than I actually like some of it. Still as someone previously said we tend to like the music we grew up with. For me that was Prince, Madonna, Duran Duran, U2, the Police, Depeche Mode, and etc. I would take those artist any day over Dylan. I suppose if I was raised in the 60's I might feel different. I do however really like the Beatles, the Beach Boys and The Mama and the Papas. They can sing, and did it very well.

I mean Rolling Stone says Bob Dylan is the best artist of all time. Really? The man sounds like a dying cow in a rainstorm.

I didn't care much for Dylan's singing myself, but he was and still is one hell of a songwriter. Unfortuneately only a handfull of artists could actually get away with covering Dylan. Hendrix pulled it off with Like a Rolling Stone, Positively 4th Street and All Along the Watch. Everyoine else pretty much screwed the pooch. Case in point: Guns and Roses butchering Knocking On Heavens Door. There ought to be laws to prevent that sort of shit. The only person who could do Dylan is Dylan.

I suppose I can understand that people liked what Dylan stood for, but for the life of me that man cannot sing.

I'll take the new wave/synth pop I grew up listing to in the 80's any day, over some man who can't even carry a tune. I have however been into new age. Damn you Shirley MacLaine, and your Out On a Limb book! After seeing the mini series and reading that book I became a crystal carrying, Edgar Cayce loving, Atlantis believing, UFO watching fanatic. I however am not ashamed of my new age background. If it wasn't for that I probably would have never tried to study Dharma. So maybe I should thank Shirley MacLaine instead.

New Age is okay, taken in small doses. NA music, is I think pretty good. It sometimes gets a little over-produced and the artists a little too cliched but I find it pleasant, strangely moving and is often even better after a couple bong hits of Buddha.

I like to meditate listening to Enya. Other than that new age music just makes me sleepy.

I hope no one took offense to my remarks. My opinion is just that. I like the fact we don't all like the same music. I however hate when music critics state what is good music and what is not. I personally don't need someone to tell me what I should like or dislike. I can decide for myself thank you Rolling Stone.

[gregkavarnos]

Tune in, drop out of love,
Pull the trigger, I'm a hippie,
So said a truth, in blood,
Alive and well,
You push the buttons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S71bzLtf98

[padma norbu]

you really go for those downtempo canned drum grooves, eh?

[gregkavarnos]

Depends on my mood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5GrSPUAj4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Ske2eKX2g&ob=av2e
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUrurqGixY8

But canned ain't always bad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4lTMOmH8Dw

[padma norbu]

hey, bro... http://youtu.be/5yle1USyhCY

[Mandarava]

How can one train their own mind if they're out of it on drugs?

[Acchantika]

How can one train their own mind if they're out of it on drugs?

The mind one can be out of is not one worth training.

[mantrika]

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