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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby alwayson » Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:43 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:They are not. They are rioting because of the anti-Democratic nature of the changes being imposed on them by non-elected financial institutions. Obviously you didn't read what I wrote:
Also some new details are coming to light after the ruling PASOK party was toppled when they decided to go to a referendum and ask the Greek people what the course of action should be from this point forth. They replaced the government with an interim (but without a use by date) coalition of all the most right wing (and we are talking far right as well) elements of the Greek parliament and placed a former European Bank advisor and architect of Greeces entry into the Euro (he personally fudged the economic figures) as prime minister.
Many people in Greece are calling for the legal option of a moratorium on debt payments, a return to a national currency and national elections so that Greece can sort out its problem on the basis of facts that are coming to light about the REAL economic situation. The current financial bail out will not fix Greeces problems, it will (and has already) lead to further economic problems. The plan of reducing Greece to another third world EU member state (like Bulgaria, Rumania, Montenegro, Ukraine) so that Germans come come here for cheap summer holidays is not a plan that Greek citizens agree to. The government agrees to this plan because they are mainly members of rich poltical dynasties and will never have to deal with a 30% reducion in wages and pensions (which effecively has meant a 30% increase in inflation over the period of 2 years) .

That is why Greeks are rioting. Wouldn't you?
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Even in your own spin, you portray the Greek people as unwilling to face reality. :applause:
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Sherab Dorje » Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:01 pm

Eeeeeerrrrr... no actually, what I am saying is that they want to be actively taking part in the creation of their reality and not having it forced on them by others. That's what democracy is all about.

A moratorium on debt payments so that a viable long term plan can be implemented is both within legal and "reality" limits.

A national currency that can be devalued to increase competitiveness, decrease inflation on nationally produced goods and attract capital investment is intelligent and within the limits of "reality".

National elections to bring into power a truly representative government instead of an interim government imposed by international financers is realistic and democratic procedure.

Of course the "reality" of this logic is only obvious to those that actually believe in democracy. Obviously you do not believe in democracy, so my words are wasted on your ears (eyes acually since you are reading this).
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PS A short video project on modern Greek reality, the commentary is in English, the title is "If we do not demolish it, change will never arrivve." http://news247.gr/ellada/eidiseis/an_de ... 09738.html
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Malcolm » Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:15 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:Eeeeeerrrrr... no actually, what I am saying is that they want to be actively taking part in the creation of their reality and not having it forced on them by others. That's what democracy is all about.


Democracy is not possible for as long as we allow banks and corporations to rule the world.
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Sönam » Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:17 pm

... and not to forget to impose more those who make profit out of the situation. It's time for more riot all around the world.

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby kirtu » Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:39 pm

Sönam wrote:... and not to forget to impose more those who make profit out of the situation. It's time for more riot all around the world.


Well it's long past time for positive change around the world - beings blinded by materialism have long since dictated to the world the shape and structure of society however we have gone along with their agenda ....

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Thug4lyfe » Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:28 pm

"Dropped the butcher's knife, instantly become a Buddha"

The Idealogy of blaming others is hard to drop.
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

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Think of the kids!!!!
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Sherab Dorje » Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:58 pm

The reason they are rebelling and rioting is because: a)they are the kids
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b)this debt will fall squarely on the shoulders of the kids (and their kids, and their kids-kids!).
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Sherab Dorje » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:10 am

A cartoon satirising Anna Diamantopoulou (former Greek Minister of Education with the PASOK government) and her (anti) educational policies.
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby kirtu » Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:09 am

gregkavarnos wrote:A cartoon satirising Anna Diamantopoulou (former Greek Minister of Education with the PASOK government) and her (anti) educational policies.
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Greg - with all of your activities - have you considered opening a school?

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Heruka » Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:57 am

Namdrol wrote:
gregkavarnos wrote:Eeeeeerrrrr... no actually, what I am saying is that they want to be actively taking part in the creation of their reality and not having it forced on them by others. That's what democracy is all about.


Democracy is not possible for as long as we allow banks and corporations to rule the world.


democracy is described as two wolves and one sheep voting on whats for dinner.
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Heruka » Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:09 am

gregkavarnos wrote:this debt will fall squarely on the shoulders of the kids (and their kids, and their kids-kids!).
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oliver sarkozy of Carlyle group has estimated that the private held debt in euro zone runs over 30 trillion. they have to somehow hand transfer that over to the public purse. only way that they can do this is to legally change from private broker bank, into a government backed and insured commercial bank, they have done this in secret, then change back to a brokerage bank again having taken their debts off the books, now they also need to recapitialize the banks with zero % interest loans, hold the cash, and manipulate the currencies and stock markets, and leave you hold the toxic crap.

leverage was what created the crisis, yet they are discussing leveraging once more.

it is a rigged system.

http://www.examiner.com/finance-examine ... to-sarkozy

the police state fights the banks rear guard as they help the banks make off with the loot, they will crack your head open as you go into world depression, to extract all the wealth out of your pockets, in a typical Kristallnacht fashion.
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby tobes » Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:18 am

gregkavarnos wrote:Eeeeeerrrrr... no actually, what I am saying is that they want to be actively taking part in the creation of their reality and not having it forced on them by others. That's what democracy is all about.



National elections to bring into power a truly representative government instead of an interim government imposed by international financers is realistic and democratic procedure.



Absolutely. I still scarcely believe how nakedly and brazenly the democratic process in Greece has been violated by the interests of finance for the interests of finance.

It's obscene, and the people must stand together and demand democratic process. I stand with you Greg.

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Heruka » Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:24 am

tobes wrote:
gregkavarnos wrote:Eeeeeerrrrr... no actually, what I am saying is that they want to be actively taking part in the creation of their reality and not having it forced on them by others. That's what democracy is all about.



National elections to bring into power a truly representative government instead of an interim government imposed by international financers is realistic and democratic procedure.



Absolutely. I still scarcely believe how nakedly and brazenly the democratic process in Greece has been violated by the interests of finance for the interests of finance.

It's obscene, and the people must stand together and demand democratic process. I stand with you Greg.

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no surprise if you read their publications, its a planned implosion to consolidate wealth. you will give up your country, democracy to the technocrats for the delusion of economic security.

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its no mistake goldman sachs have all their ducks in a row, ready to take over.

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Sherab Dorje » Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:53 am

kirtu wrote:Greg - with all of your activities - have you considered opening a school?
I am the managing consultant for a non-profit educational organisation that currently has programs running in four provincial Greek cities, where tertiary academics and professionals voluntarily give weekly 3 hour lectures to members (who pay a low fee to join the organisation). There are no educational or age based prerequisites for the students, the programs are open to all individuals. We also allow low income individuals to sign up for free. We also run educational programs through the internet, low cost group counselling services and cultural events for our members. We are currently in the process of organising a trade based economy for our memebrs and have already organised for various stores and services to give discounts to our members. We are currently at about 4000 members and are about to open programs in two other cities and in Cyprus. We are also currently planning to start summer school programs for American universities. The plan is to develop the organisation into an officially recognised non-profit educational institute.
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Sherab Dorje » Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:01 am

Heruka wrote:democracy is described as two wolves and one sheep voting on whats for dinner.
There are various levels and economic bases for democracy. A direct democracy with an economic base of mutual aid is not the same as a representative democracy with a capitalist economic base.
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Malcolm » Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:17 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:
Heruka wrote:democracy is described as two wolves and one sheep voting on whats for dinner.
There are various levels and economic bases for democracy. A direct democracy with an economic base of mutual aid is not the same as a representative democracy with a capitalist economic base.
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http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/11/ ... in-greece-–-the-real-1-doctrine.html

Fascists back in power in Greece.
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby alwayson » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:04 pm

Namdrol wrote:Democracy is not possible for as long as we allow banks and corporations to rule the world.



Investment banks yes, I agree. They should be broken up into small firms or something.

I don't agree that corporations are bad.
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Malcolm » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:06 pm

alwayson wrote:
Namdrol wrote:Democracy is not possible for as long as we allow banks and corporations to rule the world.



Investment banks yes, I agree. They should be broken up into small firms or something.

I don't agree that corporations are bad.



You need to investigate more deeply.
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby alwayson » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:11 pm

Namdrol wrote:You need to investigate more deeply.



I guess you are generating your own electricity and typing on your homemade laptop.
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