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Postby Indrajala » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:16 am

adinatha wrote:The young people I talk to basically have resigned themselves to the notion that this whole thing is going to crash and no one can do anything about it. They are turning to optimistic new age notions of a revolution in global consciousness.

But don't count out the American public yet. It just has to get really really pissed off, then watch out. Americans are the angriest most vindictive people in the world. The feeling of being ripped off and manipulated has not totally sunk in yet. When it does you will see a coast to coast Wisconsin plus tear gas and burning buildings.



Right ... and unlike the Greeks, a lot of Americans have firearms.

I wonder if it could lead to a mutiny in the US military?
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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby adinatha » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:23 am

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adinatha wrote:The young people I talk to basically have resigned themselves to the notion that this whole thing is going to crash and no one can do anything about it. They are turning to optimistic new age notions of a revolution in global consciousness.

But don't count out the American public yet. It just has to get really really pissed off, then watch out. Americans are the angriest most vindictive people in the world. The feeling of being ripped off and manipulated has not totally sunk in yet. When it does you will see a coast to coast Wisconsin plus tear gas and burning buildings.



Right ... and unlike the Greeks, a lot of Americans have firearms.

I wonder if it could lead to a mutiny in the US military?


If a martial law is declared and the Army Reserve is ordered to fire on Americans, then you will see that, but only after a lot of civilians are killed. Actually, the US police forces, especially, have an "us versus them" mentality toward the general public. They don't really hesitate to kick Joe Six Pack's ass.
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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby Indrajala » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:33 am

adinatha wrote:If a martial law is declared and the Army Reserve is ordered to fire on Americans, then you will see that, but only after a lot of civilians are killed. Actually, the US police forces, especially, have an "us versus them" mentality toward the general public. They don't really hesitate to kick Joe Six Pack's ass.


This discussion has made me remember Escape from LA:



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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby Malcolm » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:34 am

adinatha wrote:
If a martial law is declared and the Army Reserve is ordered to fire on Americans, then you will see that, but only after a lot of civilians are killed. Actually, the US police forces, especially, have an "us versus them" mentality toward the general public. They don't really hesitate to kick Joe Six Pack's ass.


Forget the reserve:

The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02217.html

Ceaser has crossed the Rubicon, the Republic is all but dead.

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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby Malcolm » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:39 am

adinatha wrote:If a martial law is declared and the Army Reserve is ordered to fire on Americans, then you will see that, but only after a lot of civilians are killed. Actually, the US police forces, especially, have an "us versus them" mentality toward the general public. They don't really hesitate to kick Joe Six Pack's ass.


The police have become increasingly militarized since the 1970's. Especially these days when so many of these guys have seen tours of duty in Iraq, the police overall have an increasingly militaristic attitude and bearing. Swat teams are a large part of the problem, because of their paramilitary training.

They even send swast teams to raid milk parlors these days:

http://www.foodrenegade.com/rawsome-foo ... n-by-swat/
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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby adinatha » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:52 am

Namdrol wrote:
adinatha wrote:If a martial law is declared and the Army Reserve is ordered to fire on Americans, then you will see that, but only after a lot of civilians are killed. Actually, the US police forces, especially, have an "us versus them" mentality toward the general public. They don't really hesitate to kick Joe Six Pack's ass.


The police have become increasingly militarized since the 1970's. Especially these days when so many of these guys have seen tours of duty in Iraq, the police overall have an increasingly militaristic attitude and bearing. Swat teams are a large part of the problem, because of their paramilitary training.

They even send swast teams to raid milk parlors these days:

http://www.foodrenegade.com/rawsome-foo ... n-by-swat/


Holy shit this is outrageous. They'll be raiding kindergarten next.
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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby adinatha » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:53 am

Namdrol wrote:
adinatha wrote:
If a martial law is declared and the Army Reserve is ordered to fire on Americans, then you will see that, but only after a lot of civilians are killed. Actually, the US police forces, especially, have an "us versus them" mentality toward the general public. They don't really hesitate to kick Joe Six Pack's ass.


Forget the reserve:

The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02217.html

Ceaser has crossed the Rubicon, the Republic is all but dead.

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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby ronnewmexico » Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:47 am

What N is saying could happen, military rule, as the goundwork has been laid.
EVery holiday in the US for instance is a military holiday.. The soldier is shown at christmas for instance far away from home, and then his family and we are extending greetings from him to family. Every holiday is connected to the military in some fashion.
Some rightly so like july 4th perhaps some not at all like christmas or thankgiving.
When thing occurs like Katrina a soldier is who sets it straight, not a politician. The poliitician is the villian the one who caused the problem,the mayor of new orleans, the general andreas honere is the one who saved the day. the soldier is worshipped. Various instruments of popular culture extend that view..movies etc..
To mention just a bit..... the public is beaten up to this thing and ready for this thing. AS they are beaten up to the idea big government is the enemy, the groundwork is laid.... when crisis occurs...it comes to fruition..ending of social programs which are big government. That took 20 years.

However every political party has their majority constituancy. The republicans it is the military, the democrats it is other corporate interest.
So a military takeover of a covert kind could occur at any time but it would not occur under a democratic president.

Syria..even Lybia required some groundwork. And Libya was a partial thing of partial movement to war. Groundwork is laid for Iran and that could happen at any time because of that, but really it is corporate interest of republican the military in prime mover, not democrat...so it won't probably happen regardless of groundwork under democrat.... the Iran thing.
Under democrat..everyone is forced to buy by edict health insurance...their constituancy the health lobby in majority.
It has some on each side but we are talking majority influence.
Obama stays in afghanistan but another war...probably not. Democrats have other priority.

Small government both sides right now..corporate interest expanding. EVentually all public programs are on the chopping block. Sadly public education...ground work for that was laid years ago and continues....

That is how it is...but groundwork must be done....to my opinion.
Everything that happens in any form has groundwork around it. Some groundwork is never used, agenda or issue changes or redirects..but all things before action have groundwork. Want to know the issues before hand look to see the groundwork.

I'm sorry folks this sounds made up garbage...but you have to understand we are way way beyond 1984.
Upriseings...you do know the military has now weapons of sound that when broadcast though no real sound making... make one sick to ones stomech, vomit, dramatically ill, and worse...you do know that thing?
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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:09 am

Just read an article in a Greek newspaper today saying that according to the US department of agriculture in April 2011 over 46 million Americans were living on food coupons. A 2.5% increase since May 2010. The states with the highest number of recipients were Texas 3,9 million, California 3,7 million, Florida 3 milllion and New York 3 million. In Alabama the number of people receiving food stamps went from 800,000 to 1.7 million, mainly as a consequence of the hurricanes.

Food stamps, ain't that just a little socialist? Shouldn't we be letting the market deal with these peoples needs? (yeah right!)
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PS Hate to be the one to inform you of this but the US has been under military rule since the mid 80's. Remember Contra-gate?
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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby ronnewmexico » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:13 am

Well GK..that''s not true.

A favorite spook tactic however..when a real story comes up blanket it with ten or so not so real but connected that all have missteps in them. So the real is one of ten that are not real so who is to say?

REminded me of that. My point being..the peoples are manipulated to think certain things and in certain ways.
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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:20 am

ronnewmexico wrote:Well GK..that''s not true.

A favorite spook tactic however..when a real story comes up blanket it with ten or so not so real but connected that all have missteps in them. So the real is one of ten that are not real so who is to say?

REminded me of that. My point being..the peoples are manipulated to think certain things and in certain ways.

What's not true?
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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby ronnewmexico » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:21 am

This is not true..."PS Hate to be the one to inform you of this but the US has been under military rule since the mid 80's. Remember Contra-gate?"
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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby Sönam » Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:55 am

Namdrol wrote:
adinatha wrote:If a martial law is declared and the Army Reserve is ordered to fire on Americans, then you will see that, but only after a lot of civilians are killed. Actually, the US police forces, especially, have an "us versus them" mentality toward the general public. They don't really hesitate to kick Joe Six Pack's ass.


The police have become increasingly militarized since the 1970's. Especially these days when so many of these guys have seen tours of duty in Iraq, the police overall have an increasingly militaristic attitude and bearing. Swat teams are a large part of the problem, because of their paramilitary training.

They even send swast teams to raid milk parlors these days:

http://www.foodrenegade.com/rawsome-foo ... n-by-swat/


The sh. is that's no more for US only ... european countries go now in the same crazy direction. Crazy world we are getting in ...
In Europa the "Populists" parties, which before were called exterm-rihght are now in favor of a majority, because they had the understanding to get rid of hitler and others fascists story ... so they sound respectable.

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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby ronnewmexico » Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:56 pm

On a side note..chine has a equilivent rating agency to the S and P which also rates bonds...they lowered the US debt rating quite some time ago to my dim recollection. As china buys most of our bonds it should have been headlines but was not...go figure. MOst in the US don't even know china has a S and P equilivent nor that they rate bonds.
Keep in mind to the numance of this thing...goldman sacks who is a major player and owned credit default swaps on greek debt for one(they make money if they default) was a major major contributor to the Obama campaign. This speaks to his economic team appointments, as well, and colors the decision making process.

There is more to this downgrade than just the downgrade I am certain..it reeks of agenda. Should have been downgraded months or years ago..why now and right now?

Follow the money it leads you to the truth of things as regards motivation in these times of corruption.
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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:08 pm

ronnewmexico wrote:This is not true..."PS Hate to be the one to inform you of this but the US has been under military rule since the mid 80's. Remember Contra-gate?"
You wish it wasn't true!
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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby ronnewmexico » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:17 pm

It is absolutely not true...I wish nothing, and what I wish in any event is not relevent.
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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:26 pm

So the diversion of billions of dollars of tax payers money from the governments health and social services sector in order to fund a whole string of imperialist wars in countries that never posed a threat to the US, all so the arms industry and the military-industrial complex can grow fat and rich while sacrificing the lives of your countries poor and uneducated young people, is not an instance of military rule to you?

Then what in fracks sake is?
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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby ronnewmexico » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:30 pm

That is a leading question that can lead only to your conclusion...I don't recognize that as valid ground and state that what we see in america is corporatism, or corporate control of governments. MUsssolini identified that as facism in pure form. I don't know if I agree with that but would call this democracy a corporocracy.
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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:43 pm

I agree!!!
Now just let me draw your attention to this detail:
Fascists promote violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality. Fascists view conflict as a fact of life that is responsible for all human progress. Fascists exalt militarism as providing positive transformation in society, in providing spiritual renovation, education, instilling of a will to dominate in people's character, and creating national comradeship through military service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Sound familiar?
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Re: From a Namdrol post: socialism/capitalism

Postby ronnewmexico » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:52 pm

The american politic is very complex.
There are competiting corporate interests at play. Years ago in the context of facism the main mover of corporate interest in things of government was the military industrial complex...that is not the circumstance.

Corporate interest is so purvasive and influencial it is beyond being part and parcel of only one group nor to the intention of only that.
Health care, the industry, by most standards eats up 1/7th of GDP of america each year...that dwarfs the military industrial complex.
But one example but there are many,it is not all about war as war is not the only thing. It is about corporations and their interests which are diverse.

Suchly we can not apply the old rules of things to the present american poliitic.
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