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Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby KwanSeum » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:04 am

There’s a link on the BBC about how to plan a street party for the Royal Wedding (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12431444).

There is absolutely no fu**ing way I will attend a Royal street party let alone plan one.

My personal view is that the monarchy as head of all things evil (eg, legalised inequality, the Church, Army, etc) should not be supported in any shape or form.

Discuss...
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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby catmoon » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:14 am

What a marvellous opportunity to heal one's aversion to royalty.
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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby plwk » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:50 am

What a marvellous opportunity to heal one's aversion to royalty.
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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby neverdowell » Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:07 am

KwanSeum wrote:My personal view is that the monarchy as head of all things evil (eg, legalised inequality, the Church, Army, etc) should not be supported in any shape or form.


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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby Blue Garuda » Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:58 am

KwanSeum wrote:
My personal view is that the monarchy as head of all things evil (eg, legalised inequality, the Church, Army, etc) should not be supported in any shape or form.

Discuss...


They are really powerless to direct or rule anything of any importance. The nominal 'head of state' role should be abolished, but keep 'em on for the tourists and medical research.

They should just be regarded as an anachronistic bunch of inbred relics, at worst murderous, at best a source of comedy. (With compassion).

Tony Blair (more accurately written as Tony B Liar) was really the head of all things evil, and boy did he prove it. He is a much more worthy object for the practice of our compassion.
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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby KwanSeum » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:57 pm

Yeshe wrote:
KwanSeum wrote:The nominal 'head of state' role should be abolished, but keep 'em on for the tourists...
Do you imagine that tourism would stop if Buckingham palace was turned into a museum?
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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:44 am

There's also a new K*nt And The Gang song for the Royal Wedding on its way too...

http://www.b3ta.com/features/kuntroyalweddingvideo/

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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby Blue Garuda » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:56 pm

KwanSeum wrote:
Yeshe wrote:
KwanSeum wrote:The nominal 'head of state' role should be abolished, but keep 'em on for the tourists...
Do you imagine that tourism would stop if Buckingham palace was turned into a museum?


No, that's why I wrote:
''The nominal 'head of state' role should be abolished, but keep 'em on for the tourists and medical research.''

Hopefully, medical research would also benefit. :)
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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby Heruka » Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:13 am

KwanSeum wrote:There is absolutely no fu**ing way I will attend a Royal street party let alone plan one.

My personal view is that the monarchy as head of all things evil (eg, legalised inequality, the Church, Army, etc) should not be supported in any shape or form.

Discuss...


what if there was a royal celebration for the king and queen of the royal shakyamuni family?

would you "fu**ing way" attened that?
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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby KwanSeum » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:00 pm

Heruka wrote:
KwanSeum wrote:what if there was a royal celebration for the king and queen of the royal shakyamuni family?

would you "fu**ing way" attened that?
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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby Jikan » Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:42 pm

In his brilliant (and hilarious) study The Encyclopedia of Stupidity, Matthjis van Boxsel offers the best explanation of the objective need for useless royal families as pictures of sovereign in liberal democracy. You can infer it from the title of his book, but it's very much worth the read.

If you have the patience, go from there to Agamben's book Homo Sacer, which explains why the question of sovereignty matters more and more.

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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby Heruka » Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:39 am

i guess if you have no connection of thane and ring giver, then it wont make much sense.
it is an ancient connection and perhaps something to ponder over, even a buddha would know this.
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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:14 pm

I remember growing up as a child (of Greek migrants) in New Zealand that every morning at the Irish Catholic school I attended we used to sing the national anthem: "God save the Queen", whilst listening to the Sex Pistols "God save the Queen" in the afternoons on a local independent punk music station. Kindda psychedelic memories really!
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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby catmoon » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:12 am

I think the level of hatred envy and sarcasm in this thread, and the absence of bodhicitta, is quite unworthy of anyone calling themselves a Buddhist. We are supposed to be about compassion and kindness. Remember?
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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:30 am

catmoon wrote:I think the level of hatred envy and sarcasm in this thread, and the absence of bodhicitta, is quite unworthy of anyone calling themselves a Buddhist. We are supposed to be about compassion and kindness. Remember?

What a party pooper! :tongue:
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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby KwanSeum » Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:22 am

catmoon wrote:I think the level of hatred envy
What is hatred envy? Do you mean hatred and envy?

I don't hate Kate or William and fail to see how not wanting to celebrate their wedding is uncompassionate.

The values that I hold dear are compassion to all living beings which I interperate as pacifism/peace making, vegetarianism, and living simply and in harmony with those around me and the environment. The monarchy seems to he the antithesis to all this (shamelessly rich, head of the army (instigating war after war), meat eaters, avid hunters (see picture below), etc, etc, etc).

In my view supporting in any way such an dispassionate regime would be unfaithful to my values. What's more I've been anti-hunting, vegetarian and pacifist long before I was Buddhist. It's got nothing to do with my religion but a basic moral stance against an institution that is the apitimy of immorality.

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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby Ken1969 » Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:29 am

KwanSeum wrote:The monarchy seems to he the antithesis to all this (shamelessly rich, head of the army (instigating war after war), meat eaters, avid hunters (see picture below), etc, etc, etc).


The monarchy never instigated any wars - that's the job of the politicians - and many people are 'shamelessly rich' (all us who own computers, have access to a constant supply of electricity, and clean running water are rich compared with the 80% of the human population who live on less than 10 USD per day).

Also many people are also meat eaters (including some Buddhists), and I think hunting pheasant is preferable to factory farms where the animals are born and 'grown' in terrible conditions.

I'm vegetarian (mostly), I've served for many years in the army (not all soldiers eat baby's heads at NAAFI break; in fact I can recall many compassionate acts done by soldiers), and I'm no fan of the Royal Family.

But I think we need a bit of truth and balance here. I'm pretty sure the Royal Family have done some good too; I know the Queen takes her duties extremely seriously; she's not in control of her own life; she has a team of 'advisors' who fill her diary from morning to evening and I think you'll find - if you understood - that the majority of her life is a 'duty'; and not just drinking tea from posh china cups all day.
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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby KwanSeum » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:28 am

Ken1969 wrote:
KwanSeum wrote:The monarchy seems to he the antithesis to all this (shamelessly rich, head of the army (instigating war after war), meat eaters, avid hunters (see picture below), etc, etc, etc).

But I think we need a bit of truth and balance here. I'm pretty sure the Royal Family have done some good too...
I'm not judging them at all but saying I don't wish to pubically celebrate them for reasons outlined earlier and more.

Ken1969 wrote:Also many people are also meat eaters (including some Buddhists), and I think hunting pheasant is preferable to factory farms where the animals are born and 'grown' in terrible conditions.
Are you suggesting that I should support hunting because it's better than factory farming? - I don't support meat eating or killing of any kind!
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Re: Street party for the Royal Wedding

Postby Ken1969 » Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:34 pm

KwanSeum wrote:I don't support meat eating or killing of any kind!


Neither do I - and I agree with you - I'm a big animal lover, whether they look cute or not. But we all indirectly support the killing of animals by using products with animal products in them. Even the plastics in that computer you use (I mean is that absolutely vital to you?) contains stearic acid, which is mostly gained from animal fats.

So it just seems strange to demonise the Royal family for acts that we're all guilty of, directly or indirectly, to a greater-or-lesser degree.

That's all; I'm not here to fight; I'm no fan of the Royal family - I don't believe they're a great tourist attraction and nor do I believe they perform any function that a good president (like the Irish president - a largely ceremonial role) could carry out just as effectively.
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