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Doctor Prescribed Drugs

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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Doctor Prescribed Drugs

Postby Collective » Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:34 am

I heard mind affecting drugs, or just chemical drugs are not allowed? Here's my predicament.

Nothing major, I take Dothiapen, a non addictive (I.e there's no physical addictive element) anti depressant. The least recommended dosage Doctor's prescribe is 50mg a night (that's 2 x 25mg capsules), that's the lowest/weakest you can take. I take one 25mg capsule, and only because it makes me drowsy and helps me relax. Takes the edge of things. When I mediate, I make sure I mediate before the 'fog' creeps over my mind.

I've tried abandoning them and did so for about 3 months. But my anxiety levles went up, even whulst meditating. I realise meditation is a long process, I just needed help to relax whilst I contiuned with it. It was the Doctor who recommeded I went back on them but as I said, I'm taking a dosage (25mg) which they say probably isnt doing anything for me.

Is my path to awakening curtailed in anyway?

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Re: Doctor Prescribed Drugs

Postby Ben » Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:44 am

Hi Collective

Its a medicine, so take it!
There are very many meditators who are on anti-depressant medcations. As you so eloquently and insightfully said, meditation is a long process.
In time, you may wish to gradually decrease the amount of medication you are taking. I realise that might be easier if your medication is in pill form (and you're able to easily cut it) rather than capsule form. Anyway, its something to think about for the future.
I think what you are doing at the moment is fine. Meditation at those times of the day before you take your medication and before 'the fog' descends.
metta

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Re: Doctor Prescribed Drugs

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Re: Doctor Prescribed Drugs

Postby Collective » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:52 am

Well that is a relief to know! I was beginning to think it all a bit pointless.

I've taken these anti-depressants for about 20 years, and honestly, they in no way seem to affect my 'mental' state, only my 'emotional' (I.e. a more relaxed) state. If I don't take them, I get agitated and stressed. Like I was about an hour ago, so I mediated for about 15 minutes and now? Feeling really relaxed almost blisslike :)

Hey guys, guess what, this meditating thing actually works! :twothumbsup:

It is my guess/hope, that these states of relaxed blissfulness (whislt not the main goal of our meditation) will lengthen and become somewhat continuos.

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Re: Doctor Prescribed Drugs

Postby Ben » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:05 pm

No problem Collective.
Keep in mind that bliss, like everything else, is impermanent, insubstantial and will be the source of Dukkha if you become attached to it.
Buddhist meditation, more specifically vipassana, will help you to develop equanimity with respect to all mental and physical phenomena.
All the very best with your practice!
metta

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Doctor Prescribed Drugs

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Re: Doctor Prescribed Drugs

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Re: Doctor Prescribed Drugs

Postby Collective » Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:59 pm

When my anxiety is that bad, I have to lay down. Meditation really helps too.

When I say the drugs don't do anything for me, I mean as in the dose isn't enough to act as an anti depressant during the day. The side effect though, drowsiness, helps me relax. And it isn't as if I get that dowsy feeling all the time anyway.

Ultimately I'd like to ditch these tablets, as weak as they are. And I can do so, the only reason I'm back on them is because the Doctor suggested I go back on them when my anxiety levels starting causing me distress. Who knows, I may have stayed off them if I hadn't made that appointment.

Anyway, I was just asking and hoping that these tablets would not stop me from awakening. I must stress, they in no way affect my thinking, only my emotional level.

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Re: Doctor Prescribed Drugs

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:15 pm

Lots of people can give you advice Collective, some of it sensible, but really the best person to talk to about these issues is your doctor.

:anjali: best wishes.
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Re: Doctor Prescribed Drugs

Postby altar » Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:34 pm

Sanghamitta,
That is not necessarily true. You have never met his doctor. I have never met his doctor. I have met doctors who give horrible advice about taking medicines.

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Re: Doctor Prescribed Drugs

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:11 am

It is still his doctor that he should be talking to, even if the result is to change doctors , not strangers HE has never met, and likely never will, on an internet site.
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Re: Doctor Prescribed Drugs

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Re: Doctor Prescribed Drugs

Postby Ben » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:33 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Doctor Prescribed Drugs

Postby kirk5a » Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:39 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Doctor Prescribed Drugs

Postby octathlon » Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:55 pm

I thought this thread was supposed to be about Doctor Prescribed Drugs?

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