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The Language of the Eyes

Postby Kaore » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:10 am

Enlightenment, I know what it is. Buddhahood I know what it is. I know how Gautama looks like.

Wanna know?

Enlightenment what it is. First of all, what is the Mind.

The mind is talkative, always talking this and that forever, Forever. The trouble is you think you are talking, that's the trouble. The trouble is your inability to know someone else than the Mind and the Mind either doesn't know that you are someone else even if somewhere the mind knows that you are far deeper.

The title of this topic is The Language of the Eyes and I posted this topic in Personal Experience, so you can guess that's my personal experience I am going to explain to you if you desire so. So enjoy.

Enlightenment is not something that is going to give you Light, or Wisdom or something that you don't know.
Whatever you think you know about the goal of all buddha's teachings is not it.

Why?
Because the Mind is thinking, not you. Who you are? Wanna know? What do you think if I am telling you that you are the one reading this and blinking with the Eyes, reading with the eye and blinking with the language of the eye?

This is my experience right now and I don't see further becoming from this. So I am going to be more clear to you. Whenever the Mind is talking saying 'I am bored' 'I love you' 'Are you listening?' 'you know you are interesting' 'I think you are boring' 'How do you do??' 'What if...' 'ok lol you are funny' 'humm please...' and so on and on and on... so whenever the mind is talking I am well established to my eyes, this is where I stand but the mind reading this will try to figure out and try to make you think that you are thinking with being ignorant.

Enlightenment is through intelligence discerning the mind talking from your own language which is the language of the eyes. Ok I am clear now.

Buddhahood is the soul, the self, the real one, me and you, buddha we are.

Gautama looks like me, I guess as Gautama had a particular intelligence that no one could figure out from the mind's perspectives. Now I know, blinking is understanding.
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby LastLegend » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:51 am

Kaore wrote:Enlightenment, I know what it is. Buddhahood I know what it is. I know how Gautama looks like.

Wanna know?

Enlightenment what it is. First of all, what is the Mind.

The mind is talkative, always talking this and that forever, Forever. The trouble is you think you are talking, that's the trouble. The trouble is your inability to know someone else than the Mind and the Mind either doesn't know that you are someone else even if somewhere the mind knows that you are far deeper.

The title of this topic is The Language of the Eyes and I posted this topic in Personal Experience, so you can guess that's my personal experience I am going to explain to you if you desire so. So enjoy.

Enlightenment is not something that is going to give you Light, or Wisdom or something that you don't know.
Whatever you think you know about the goal of all buddha's teachings is not it.

Why?
Because the Mind is thinking, not you. Who you are? Wanna know? What do you think if I am telling you that you are the one reading this and blinking with the Eyes, reading with the eye and blinking with the language of the eye?

This is my experience right now and I don't see further becoming from this. So I am going to be more clear to you. Whenever the Mind is talking saying 'I am bored' 'I love you' 'Are you listening?' 'you know you are interesting' 'I think you are boring' 'How do you do??' 'What if...' 'ok lol you are funny' 'humm please...' and so on and on and on... so whenever the mind is talking I am well established to my eyes, this is where I stand but the mind reading this will try to figure out and try to make you think that you are thinking with being ignorant.

Enlightenment is through intelligence discerning the mind talking from your own language which is the language of the eyes. Ok I am clear now.

Buddhahood is the soul, the self, the real one, me and you, buddha we are.

Gautama looks like me, I guess as Gautama had a particular intelligence that no one could figure out from the mind's perspectives. Now I know, blinking is understanding.


What about the ears?
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby Kaore » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:27 am

LastLegend wrote:What about the ears?


Do you feel yourself established in the ears as your vision of being? Simple, if you look the ears is far away. When I say eyes I don't say no ears, I just say eye first.
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby White Lotus » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:31 pm

yes, blinking!
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby Sherab Dorje » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:48 pm

So, Kaore, you are enlightened?
"When one is not in accord with the true view
Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby Kaore » Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:15 pm

Sherab Dorje wrote:So, Kaore, you are enlightened?


I am! Enlightenment is really subjective so you can't really know. If you are able to create Life for you own spirit, this is for me what Enlightenment is because the pressure of suffering is released. Suffering is to be found released.
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby Sherab Dorje » Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:35 pm

Well, actually, there are objective criteria by which enlightenment can be measured.

Here are some of the physical characteristics, for example, of a Buddha (an enlightened one):

The 32 major characteristics are:

Level feet
Thousand-spoked wheel sign on feet
Long, slender fingers
Pliant hands and feet
Toes and fingers finely webbed
Full-sized heels
Arched insteps
Thighs like a royal stag
Hands reaching below the knees
Well-retracted male organ
Height and stretch of arms equal
Every hair-root dark colored
Body hair graceful and curly
Golden-hued body
Ten-foot aura around him
Soft, smooth skin
Soles, palms, shoulders, and crown of head well-rounded
Area below armpits well-filled
Lion-shaped body
Body erect and upright
Full, round shoulders
Forty teeth
Teeth white, even, and close
Four canine teeth pure white
Jaw like a lion
Saliva that improves the taste of all food
Tongue long and broad
Voice deep and resonant
Eyes deep blue
Eyelashes like a royal bull
White ūrṇā curl that emits light between eyebrows
Fleshy protuberance on the crown of the head

The eighty minor characteristics are:

He has beautiful fingers and toes.
He has well-proportioned fingers and toes.
He has tube-shaped fingers and toes.
His fingernails and toenails have a rosy tint.
His fingernails and toenails are slightly upturned at the tip.
His fingernails and toenails are smooth and rounded without ridges.
His ankles and wrists are rounded and undented.
His feet are of equal length.
He has a beautiful gait, like that of a king-elephant.
He has a stately gait, like that of a king-lion.
He has a beautiful gait, like that of a swan.
He has a majestic gait, like that of a royal ox.
His right foot leads when walking.
His knees have no protruding kneecaps.
He has the demeanor of a great man.
His navel is without blemish.
He has a deep-shaped abdomen.
He has clockwise marks on the abdomen.
His thighs are rounded like banana sheaves.
His two arms are shaped like an elephant's trunk.
The lines on the palms of his hands have a rosy tint.
His skin is thick or thin as it should be.
His skin is unwrinkled.
His body is spotless and without lumps.
His body is unblemished above and below.
His body is absolutely free of impurities.
He has the strength of 1,000 crore elephants or 100,000 crore men.
He has a protruding nose.
His nose is well proportioned.
His upper and lower lips are equal in size and have a rosy tint.
His teeth are unblemished and with no plaque.
His teeth are long like polished conches.
His teeth are smooth and without ridges.
His five sense-organs are unblemished.
His four canine teeth are crystal and rounded.
His face is long and beautiful.
His cheeks are radiant.
The lines on his palms are deep.
The lines on his palms are long.
The lines on his palms are straight.
The lines on his palms have a rosy tint.
His body emanates a halo of light extending around him for two meters.
His cheek cavities are fully rounded and smooth.
His eyelids are well proportioned.
The five nerves of his eyes are unblemished.
The tips of his bodily hair are neither curved nor bent.
He has a rounded tongue.
His tongue is soft and has a rosy-tint.
His ears are long like lotus petals.
His earholes are beautifully rounded.
His sinews and tendons don't stick out.
His sinews and tendons are deeply embedded in the flesh.
His topknot is like a crown.
His forehead is well-proportioned in length and breadth.
His forehead is rounded and beautiful.
His eyebrows are arched like a bow.
The hair of his eyebrows is fine.
The hair of his eyebrows lies flat.
He has large brows.
His brows reach the outward corner of his eyes.
His skin is fine throughout his body.
His whole body has abundant signs of good fortune.
His body is always radiant.
His body is always refreshed like a lotus flower.
His body is exquisitely sensitive to touch.
His body has the scent of sandalwood.
His body hair is consistent in length.
He has fine bodily hair.
His breath is always fine.
His mouth always has a beautiful smile.
His mouth has the scent of a lotus flower.
His hair has the colour of a dark shadow.
His hair is strongly scented.
His hair has the scent of a white lotus.
He has curled hair.
His hair does not turn grey.
He has fine hair.
His hair is untangled.
His hair has long curls. (Buddha may be interpreted as being bald)
He has a topknot as if crowned with a royal flower garland.

Then, of course, there is the issue of the omnipotence of an enlightened one.

Do you have a teacher kaore? What is their opinion on your enlightenment?
"When one is not in accord with the true view
Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby garudha » Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:04 pm

If eyes are windows to the soul, then no wonder, I feel such pane. :tongue:
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby Kaore » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:22 pm

Sherab Dorje wrote:Well, actually, there are objective criteria by which enlightenment can be measured.

Here are some of the physical characteristics, for example, of a Buddha (an enlightened one):

The 32 major characteristics are:

Level feet
Thousand-spoked wheel sign on feet
Long, slender fingers
Pliant hands and feet
Toes and fingers finely webbed
Full-sized heels
Arched insteps
Thighs like a royal stag
Hands reaching below the knees
Well-retracted male organ
Height and stretch of arms equal
Every hair-root dark colored
Body hair graceful and curly
Golden-hued body
Ten-foot aura around him
Soft, smooth skin
Soles, palms, shoulders, and crown of head well-rounded
Area below armpits well-filled
Lion-shaped body
Body erect and upright
Full, round shoulders
Forty teeth
Teeth white, even, and close
Four canine teeth pure white
Jaw like a lion
Saliva that improves the taste of all food
Tongue long and broad
Voice deep and resonant
Eyes deep blue
Eyelashes like a royal bull
White ūrṇā curl that emits light between eyebrows
Fleshy protuberance on the crown of the head

The eighty minor characteristics are:

He has beautiful fingers and toes.
He has well-proportioned fingers and toes.
He has tube-shaped fingers and toes.
His fingernails and toenails have a rosy tint.
His fingernails and toenails are slightly upturned at the tip.
His fingernails and toenails are smooth and rounded without ridges.
His ankles and wrists are rounded and undented.
His feet are of equal length.
He has a beautiful gait, like that of a king-elephant.
He has a stately gait, like that of a king-lion.
He has a beautiful gait, like that of a swan.
He has a majestic gait, like that of a royal ox.
His right foot leads when walking.
His knees have no protruding kneecaps.
He has the demeanor of a great man.
His navel is without blemish.
He has a deep-shaped abdomen.
He has clockwise marks on the abdomen.
His thighs are rounded like banana sheaves.
His two arms are shaped like an elephant's trunk.
The lines on the palms of his hands have a rosy tint.
His skin is thick or thin as it should be.
His skin is unwrinkled.
His body is spotless and without lumps.
His body is unblemished above and below.
His body is absolutely free of impurities.
He has the strength of 1,000 crore elephants or 100,000 crore men.
He has a protruding nose.
His nose is well proportioned.
His upper and lower lips are equal in size and have a rosy tint.
His teeth are unblemished and with no plaque.
His teeth are long like polished conches.
His teeth are smooth and without ridges.
His five sense-organs are unblemished.
His four canine teeth are crystal and rounded.
His face is long and beautiful.
His cheeks are radiant.
The lines on his palms are deep.
The lines on his palms are long.
The lines on his palms are straight.
The lines on his palms have a rosy tint.
His body emanates a halo of light extending around him for two meters.
His cheek cavities are fully rounded and smooth.
His eyelids are well proportioned.
The five nerves of his eyes are unblemished.
The tips of his bodily hair are neither curved nor bent.
He has a rounded tongue.
His tongue is soft and has a rosy-tint.
His ears are long like lotus petals.
His earholes are beautifully rounded.
His sinews and tendons don't stick out.
His sinews and tendons are deeply embedded in the flesh.
His topknot is like a crown.
His forehead is well-proportioned in length and breadth.
His forehead is rounded and beautiful.
His eyebrows are arched like a bow.
The hair of his eyebrows is fine.
The hair of his eyebrows lies flat.
He has large brows.
His brows reach the outward corner of his eyes.
His skin is fine throughout his body.
His whole body has abundant signs of good fortune.
His body is always radiant.
His body is always refreshed like a lotus flower.
His body is exquisitely sensitive to touch.
His body has the scent of sandalwood.
His body hair is consistent in length.
He has fine bodily hair.
His breath is always fine.
His mouth always has a beautiful smile.
His mouth has the scent of a lotus flower.
His hair has the colour of a dark shadow.
His hair is strongly scented.
His hair has the scent of a white lotus.
He has curled hair.
His hair does not turn grey.
He has fine hair.
His hair is untangled.
His hair has long curls. (Buddha may be interpreted as being bald)
He has a topknot as if crowned with a royal flower garland.

Then, of course, there is the issue of the omnipotence of an enlightened one.

Do you have a teacher kaore? What is their opinion on your enlightenment?


you should ask yuorself what you think about enlightenment, not what people think.
I allowed my mind to know what true joy of life is, then it became a belief and then a reality. From what you believe you create your reality.
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby uan » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:48 pm

Sherab Dorje wrote:Well, actually, there are objective criteria by which enlightenment can be measured.

Here are some of the physical characteristics, for example, of a Buddha (an enlightened one)...



Hi SD, this is something that has confused me (one of many things that has confused me actually :lol: ) but what is the difference between enlightened and realized? The Buddha is enlightened, as in the enlightened one. Then we have a teacher like ChNN who is realized. Is he a Buddha in the same way Shakyamuni was? Or does realized mean a person has reached the first bhumi (and may be even further along the Bhumis, but not yet a Buddha)?

Also, are the 32 major characteristics something that a mundane person can see, or do you need pure vision (unafflicted) to see the Buddha as described. I love ChNN, but I'm pretty sure in the form I see him, since I have no realization, I don't see many of the 32 major and 80 minor characteristics.
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby Motova » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:53 pm

:popcorn:
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby Jesse » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:54 pm

Sherab Dorje wrote:Well, actually, there are objective criteria by which enlightenment can be measured.

Here are some of the physical characteristics, for example, of a Buddha (an enlightened one):

The 32 major characteristics are:

...................................

Then, of course, there is the issue of the omnipotence of an enlightened one.

Do you have a teacher kaore? What is their opinion on your enlightenment?


Man if all that's true we'll never be Buddhas. We're all already enlightened because it can't be any other way, but 'we' can never be enlightened, only own own nature is enlightened I think. As soon as our deluded views, grasping and ignorance fade, there was a buddha there all along.

Correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm really not sure which school teaches all the characteristics. :shrug:
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby garudha » Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:22 pm

Kaore wrote:
you should ask yuorself what you think about enlightenment, not what people think.
I allowed my mind to know what true joy of life is, then it became a belief and then a reality. From what you believe you create your reality.


I will believe I'm enlightened. Then it will become reality.
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby Kaore » Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:46 am

I went a little far about enlightenment as no one knows what the hell it is and I don't want you to believe me. By the way I am enlightened now lol.
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby Lindama » Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:17 am

So, the ridiculous list of 32 and 80 in favor of a direct response .... fuel to the fire... or perhaps, it cured K. :smile:

@K, well then, wash your bowl
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby Dan74 » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:32 am

Sherab Dorje wrote:Well, actually, there are objective criteria by which enlightenment can be measured.

Here are some of the physical characteristics, for example, of a Buddha (an enlightened one):

The 32 major characteristics are:

Level feet
Thousand-spoked wheel sign on feet
Long, slender fingers
Pliant hands and feet
Toes and fingers finely webbed
Full-sized heels
Arched insteps
Thighs like a royal stag
Hands reaching below the knees
Well-retracted male organ
Height and stretch of arms equal
Every hair-root dark colored
Body hair graceful and curly
Golden-hued body
Ten-foot aura around him
Soft, smooth skin
Soles, palms, shoulders, and crown of head well-rounded
Area below armpits well-filled
Lion-shaped body
Body erect and upright
Full, round shoulders
Forty teeth
Teeth white, even, and close
Four canine teeth pure white
Jaw like a lion
Saliva that improves the taste of all food
Tongue long and broad
Voice deep and resonant
Eyes deep blue
Eyelashes like a royal bull
White ūrṇā curl that emits light between eyebrows
Fleshy protuberance on the crown of the head

The eighty minor characteristics are:

He has beautiful fingers and toes.
He has well-proportioned fingers and toes.
He has tube-shaped fingers and toes.
His fingernails and toenails have a rosy tint.
His fingernails and toenails are slightly upturned at the tip.
His fingernails and toenails are smooth and rounded without ridges.
His ankles and wrists are rounded and undented.
His feet are of equal length.
He has a beautiful gait, like that of a king-elephant.
He has a stately gait, like that of a king-lion.
He has a beautiful gait, like that of a swan.
He has a majestic gait, like that of a royal ox.
His right foot leads when walking.
His knees have no protruding kneecaps.
He has the demeanor of a great man.
His navel is without blemish.
He has a deep-shaped abdomen.
He has clockwise marks on the abdomen.
His thighs are rounded like banana sheaves.
His two arms are shaped like an elephant's trunk.
The lines on the palms of his hands have a rosy tint.
His skin is thick or thin as it should be.
His skin is unwrinkled.
His body is spotless and without lumps.
His body is unblemished above and below.
His body is absolutely free of impurities.
He has the strength of 1,000 crore elephants or 100,000 crore men.
He has a protruding nose.
His nose is well proportioned.
His upper and lower lips are equal in size and have a rosy tint.
His teeth are unblemished and with no plaque.
His teeth are long like polished conches.
His teeth are smooth and without ridges.
His five sense-organs are unblemished.
His four canine teeth are crystal and rounded.
His face is long and beautiful.
His cheeks are radiant.
The lines on his palms are deep.
The lines on his palms are long.
The lines on his palms are straight.
The lines on his palms have a rosy tint.
His body emanates a halo of light extending around him for two meters.
His cheek cavities are fully rounded and smooth.
His eyelids are well proportioned.
The five nerves of his eyes are unblemished.
The tips of his bodily hair are neither curved nor bent.
He has a rounded tongue.
His tongue is soft and has a rosy-tint.
His ears are long like lotus petals.
His earholes are beautifully rounded.
His sinews and tendons don't stick out.
His sinews and tendons are deeply embedded in the flesh.
His topknot is like a crown.
His forehead is well-proportioned in length and breadth.
His forehead is rounded and beautiful.
His eyebrows are arched like a bow.
The hair of his eyebrows is fine.
The hair of his eyebrows lies flat.
He has large brows.
His brows reach the outward corner of his eyes.
His skin is fine throughout his body.
His whole body has abundant signs of good fortune.
His body is always radiant.
His body is always refreshed like a lotus flower.
His body is exquisitely sensitive to touch.
His body has the scent of sandalwood.
His body hair is consistent in length.
He has fine bodily hair.
His breath is always fine.
His mouth always has a beautiful smile.
His mouth has the scent of a lotus flower.
His hair has the colour of a dark shadow.
His hair is strongly scented.
His hair has the scent of a white lotus.
He has curled hair.
His hair does not turn grey.
He has fine hair.
His hair is untangled.
His hair has long curls. (Buddha may be interpreted as being bald)
He has a topknot as if crowned with a royal flower garland.

Then, of course, there is the issue of the omnipotence of an enlightened one.

Do you have a teacher kaore? What is their opinion on your enlightenment?


Not even many Theravadins believe that, Greg. I don't think this is a good basis to refute some dude's on the internet claims of enlightenment (if there is any point to that at all. )

Folks have come on Buddhist fora and claimed enlightenment for as long as I can remember. As far as fora is concerned, enlightenment is as enlightenment does. Participate, shed light, share wisdom and that will be great! Claim all sorts of things, spout incomprehensibles and it will mean jack-sh**t.
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby Kaore » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:36 am

lol you make me laugh, ask me questions I am ready to be clear now :twothumbsup:
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby LastLegend » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:44 am

Kaore wrote:
LastLegend wrote:What about the ears?


Do you feel yourself established in the ears as your vision of being? Simple, if you look the ears is far away. When I say eyes I don't say no ears, I just say eye first.


To be fair with your contribution, I will quote Bodhidharma:

Buddha is Sanskrit for what you call aware, miraculously aware. Responding, arching your brows blinking your eyes, moving your hands and feet, its all your miraculously aware nature. And this nature is the mind. And the mind is the Buddha. And the Buddha is the path. And the path is Zen. But the word Zen is one that remains a puzzle to both mortals and sages. Seeing your nature is Zen. Unless you see your nature, it’s not Zen.
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby Kaore » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:49 am

for me zen is finding the way of growing joy through the path, through the mind, through buddha, through me, that's been my only job.
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Re: The Language of the Eyes

Postby LastLegend » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:52 am

Kaore wrote:for me zen is finding the way of growing joy through the path, through the mind, through buddha, through me, that's been my only job.


How are you different from many other folks who doing things to find their own joy?
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