Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

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Re: Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

Postby oushi » Wed May 21, 2014 1:04 pm

Valid debate includes all views, that is why I don't understand why it was separated from the "unconscious" topic.
Anyway, there is no point in debating with someone who thinks he knows the answer and is only interested in enforcing his views on others. For me, this subject is fascinating, and the consequences of those discoveries are hard to fathom. For you, it is"ridiculous", "fanciful and childish to say the least". You may try to fool others, but you will not fool me here.
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Re: Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

Postby Simon E. » Wed May 21, 2014 1:10 pm

And whats more that concur only with Oushi's amateurish attempts to parse data that he has neither the background knowledge of, nor frankly the linguistic skill.

On other subjects too it becomes clear that his use of English, though good in everyday terms is not nuanced enough for the kind of debates that he engages with..

Which also leads to his missing references and points, which reduces his responses to accusations that the OTHER person is missing the debate. :roll:

As I have said, when this thread clatters to a halt for lack of informed input, apart from yours Greg, I will post another thread which examine some of the implications of the most recent research.

Recent advances in Neuroimaging have shed light on the processes involved in a way that takes the debate far beyond anything that previous researchers could have foreseen. The work of Sperry was pioneering, but is now completely superceded. He died in 1994 for Gods sake.. :smile: .
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Re: Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

Postby Sherab Dorje » Wed May 21, 2014 1:14 pm

oushi wrote:Anyway, there is no point in debating with someone who thinks he knows the answer and is only interested in enforcing his views on others.
Enforcing my view by creating a thread dedicated to the topic you wish to discuss?
For me, this subject is fascinating, and the consequences of those discoveries are hard to fathom.
Good. So discuss it. Just don't expect everybody to agree with you. This is, after all, "A Buddhist discussion forum on Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism". It is not a pulpit for preaching, so be prepared to have people contradict your view.
For you, it is"ridiculous", "fanciful and childish to say the least". You may try to fool others, but you will not fool me here.
That's right. That is my opinion. It does not concur with yours, and neither does yours with mine, so??? And I am not trying to fool anybody. My view is out there plain and clear for everybody to see. Feel free to prove it wrong. Anticipate that others may try to prove your view wrong. That is how discussion and debate works after all.
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One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

Postby Sherab Dorje » Wed May 21, 2014 1:18 pm

PS From your research, oushi, how long do these effects last? Are they permanent (ie until the persons death) or are they temporary (ie does the brain find another mechanism to coordinate the two hemispheres)?
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Re: Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

Postby oushi » Wed May 21, 2014 1:46 pm

I thought you have had enough of this discussion.... You are forcing yourself, or you suddenly gained interest in it? That would be good. Maybe you will do some reading, contemplating and writing that will bring something beside your prejudice toward the subject. You are most welcome. I do not claim to know everything about the matter, I am afraid that nobody does, but it is precisely why I am bringing this topic to the public, so people can share what they know, and I don't have to rely purely on my conclusions. It's all about sharing ideas, not about proving others wrong at all costs. At least Simon got frustrated to such a degree that he will try to save the world from my evil plot and bake something fresh. Since his intentions are driven by desire to prove me wrong, I don't know how good will his discoveries be, but hey, lets hope for the best.
Sherab Dorje wrote:Enforcing my view by creating a thread dedicated to the topic you wish to discuss?

By moving it from General Buddhism to Lounge where only few look... Wow, Thanks!
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Re: Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

Postby Simon E. » Wed May 21, 2014 2:00 pm

Ridiculous...No matter how interesting to some Buddhists its not Buddhism.

Plus it was moved from a thread that you crashed into that actually had been about Buddhism...
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Re: Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

Postby oushi » Wed May 21, 2014 2:47 pm

Last time I remember you accused me of breaking into a discussion about Multiple Personality Disorder, which is as remote from Buddhism as split-brain theory. Double standards, or your short memory? Could you please direct your crusade toward someone else, as I am totally fed up with your comments. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

Postby Sherab Dorje » Wed May 21, 2014 2:59 pm

oushi wrote:I thought you have had enough of this discussion.... You are forcing yourself, or you suddenly gained interest in it? That would be good. Maybe you will do some reading, contemplating and writing that will bring something beside your prejudice toward the subject. You are most welcome. I do not claim to know everything about the matter, I am afraid that nobody does, but it is precisely why I am bringing this topic to the public, so people can share what they know, and I don't have to rely purely on my conclusions. It's all about sharing ideas, not about proving others wrong at all costs. At least Simon got frustrated to such a degree that he will try to save the world from my evil plot and bake something fresh. Since his intentions are driven by desire to prove me wrong, I don't know how good will his discoveries be, but hey, lets hope for the best.
Sherab Dorje wrote:Enforcing my view by creating a thread dedicated to the topic you wish to discuss?

By moving it from General Buddhism to Lounge where only few look... Wow, Thanks!
That's probably the most long winded way of answering with: "I don't know" that I have seen for a long time.

Also, please refrain from the personal attacks, apart from boring they are also against the Terms of Service, and if you don't stop them I will be forced to report you.
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Re: Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

Postby Simon E. » Wed May 21, 2014 3:04 pm

The thread that you took off course was " Reaching The Unconscious " which was about psychoanalysis in its broadest sense, in the context of Buddhist meditation and demonstrated a clear link to Dharma practice.
I did not introduce the example of MPD, but it was germane to the discussion.
Which was then taken off course by your introducing a video about physical brain lesions..including antiquated data from circa 1964.
On the creation of a new thread you then demonstrated your inability to further the discussion because you have neither the vocabulary nor specialised knowledge to do so.
Instead you were forced to cite wiki articles of an historical nature concerning pioneering work in the sphere..
Meanwhile you responded to my and Gregs pointing this out to you by accusing both of us of not contributing to the debate...and using smilies like this... :crazy:
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Re: Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

Postby Simon E. » Wed May 21, 2014 3:07 pm

The irony being that I am actually able to bring information about work going on in this area currently of which I have actual first hand knowledge.
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Re: Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

Postby oushi » Wed May 21, 2014 3:11 pm

Sherab Dorje wrote:Also, please refrain from the personal attacks, apart from boring they are also against the Terms of Service, and if you don't stop them I will be forced to report you.

And the ultimate goal of your activity in this subject has been revealed. You couldn't care less about the split brain theory, which you state openly. You are interested in only one thing.

Remember, that you do not have to report me, you can use your moderation power like you did before. What can I do when you are the accuser and the judge at the same time? Only laugh, as you have all the tools required to silence me.
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Re: Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

Postby Lindama » Wed May 21, 2014 3:15 pm

dharmagoat wrote:I understand split-brain research to be completely valid, especially as I was taught about Sperry's work while studying psychology at university.

The video that was posted by Oushi does definitely raise an issue:

If one's brain was to be divided, and each hemisphere was to continue to function independently, what becomes of the Buddhist claim that a person has only one mind-stream?


Does the research conclude that there are two minds if the "cord" is not cut? Does the pathology actually imply that as the norm. Or is it more that the two parts function as a whole normally so that we can make conscious choices, ie, mediate our conflicts? (simplest way to say it) What does function independently actually mean when the so-called brain comprises only part of the thought process. What does it mean in light of laying down new patterns and thought processes... neuroplasticity.

I think mind-stream in Buddhism is much more than an individual's conscious thought process, whether one or two.

now, if only we could go beyond the competition.... :sage:
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Re: Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

Postby oushi » Wed May 21, 2014 3:23 pm

Simon E. wrote:The irony being that I am actually able to bring information about work going on in this area currently of which I have actual first hand knowledge.

Then do it for the truth sake! I love to read it even if it will refute everything that I wrote in the subject. Bring those information instead of just bragging about being able to...
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Re: Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

Postby Simon E. » Wed May 21, 2014 3:27 pm

When this thread has cooled I will...

But I will start a new one.
And no it will not ' refute everything you have said '..this is not personal.
It will clarify some issues and put things into a different context.
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Re: Contemplating the consequences of split brain theory

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