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Is anyone else out there a fan of Neil's videos? :D



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A great scientist and educator. Check out his "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey" series here (US) or here (non-US)


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Why Neil deGrasse Tyson is a philistine

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Science is so . . . what is the word? Scientific.

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I'm not surprised to read that.

I was so looking forward to the remake of Cosmos, having watched Sagan's version as a child, and I was a fan of NDT, but that first episode... so damned disappointing. That awful Giordano Bruno segment was like a fart in a crowded elevator - bad and wrong on so many levels.


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 6:20 am 
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The general contempt for philosophy coming from parts of the scientific community today is sad, and telling of the inadequacy of materialism as a philosophy of life.

That said, I saw him speak a few years back, he's obviously a brilliant dude who does some good work...I just think the dogmatism shown towards philosophy these days by materialists and those that lean that direction is ridiculous, as well as typically very poorly argued. It's one of the few areas where otherwise unquestionably brilliant folks seem to say some really asinine things, to my ears of course.

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Jinzang wrote:

The author of that article mischaracterizes Tyson's perspective, which is not dismissive of philosophy as a whole, but of philosophical attempts to resolve issues that require empirical evidence to resolve (e.g., scientific issues).


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I'm a fan. But obviously there are many posters in this forum that are either anti-science or aren't able to reconcile science with their religious beliefs. Then there are a few that manage the reconciliation quite well.

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A person that is using a scientific facts and language to speak to our sense of being is an astrophilosopher. By the tone he is using in this talk, I would even call him an astropreacher. :smile:

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The general contempt for philosophy coming from parts of the scientific community today is sad,


What contributions has philosophy made to mankind, particularly over the last century (excluding logic and metamathematics, neither of which I view as philosophy anyway)?

Philosophy should have made contributions to human thinking. Most of what has happened recently has been obfuscation at best.

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A person that is using a scientific facts and language to speak to our sense of being is an astrophilosopher. By the tone he is using in this talk, I would even call him an astropreacher. :smile:

An astro-acharya.


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I'm a fan. But obviously there are many posters in this forum that are either anti-science or aren't able to reconcile science with their religious beliefs. Then there are a few that manage the reconciliation quite well.



Or, alternatively, you are just making incorrect assumptions about what's being said.

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Jinzang wrote:

Meh, what an obnoxious essay! Perhaps it could also just be called "Why Neil deGrasse Tyson is still just middle class and not upper class"! lol

I just think that Tyson realizes that his present lifetime is finite, so he focuses on the subjects which he personally finds the most interesting and important, and he prefers to speak plainly. I don't think he needs to apologize for anything. Could he be more broadly educated regarding to philosophy? Sure, but it might not bring him much benefit.

And I don't think that it does much damage if he tells people not to study philosophy. If any of his listeners are truly interested in philosophy, they will probably just study it anyway. Lots of people like Tyson's speeches, but I don't think that they regard him as some sort of supreme guru for all of life's issues.


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Meh, what an obnoxious essay! Perhaps it could also just be called "Why Neil deGrasse Tyson is still just middle class and not upper class"! lol

I just think that Tyson realizes that his present lifetime is finite, so he focuses on the subjects which he personally finds the most interesting and important, and he prefers to speak plainly. I don't think he needs to apologize for anything. Could he be more broadly educated regarding to philosophy? Sure, but it might not bring him much benefit.

And I don't think that it does much damage if he tells people not to study philosophy. If any of his listeners are truly interested in philosophy, they will probably just study it anyway. Lots of people like Tyson's speeches, but I don't think that they regard him as some sort of supreme guru for all of life's issues.



I don't know about that. Most of my friends are materialist/atheist leaners, and they sound about like I do when talking about Buddhist thinkers when they talk about people like Degrasse -Tyson, or Harris, or Dawkins..or whoever is seen as a ort of luminary of "science as a philosophy". Whether my friends want to admit it or not, to some degree these people are their "gurus".

I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and I think that all these people have made a valuable contribution to human thought, and are worth listening to - after all, I went to go see him speak (I even had walking pneumonia btw lol), and enjoyed a lot of what he had to say.

That said, the materialist/atheist leaning friends of mine are also really way too credulous with regard to the shortfalls of viewing science as a philosophy of life, and tend to dismiss big, open questions about this worldview with a response that is similar to Tyson's - questioning the usefulness of asking questions in the first place (usually, things that are the most glaring questions which materialists can't yet answer - nature of mind, value etc.). Or worse, they use a tactic you commonly see (on these forums too) of painting anyone willing to question materialist assumptions as being a religious zealot or anti-science crusader.

I would think that -to a Buddhist at least- the usefulness of asking "big" questions (at least the right questions) isn't really debatable.

Despite how smart these guys are, their stuff turns pretty provincial when certain questions get asked...that said, again, I don't wish to diminish their impact, and if I were forced to choose between Degrasse Tyson and the guy who runs the Creationist Museum..I know who i'd choose in a heartbeat lol, I just hope that we can live in a world where those aren't the only two choices.

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