The absolute truth in one sentence

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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby smcj » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:26 pm

Vajraprajnakhadga wrote:Absolute truth is illusory.

Then there's the Shentong view where it is "anything other than absole reality is illusory".
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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby Matt J » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:45 pm

HA!
The Great Way is not difficult
If only there is no picking or choosing
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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby dude » Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:22 am

Anders wrote:
Simon E. wrote:I see no reason not to frame that as " You don't exist so do whatever the frig you like "..

Which, should you ever drop in to certain 'Zen' forums, you will find is quite a popular view.


What are these forums? I haven't encountered them yet.



It's a Zen thing. Or should I say one interpretation of Zen. I think it's absurd.
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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby dzogchungpa » Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:27 am

Perhaps this quote from Anam Thubten is relevant:
I hope that people won't use so much this word 'truth' as times goes by. It's a beautiful word, but a word that sucks, ultimately.
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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby Sherab Dorje » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:18 pm

oushi wrote:
Sherab Dorje wrote:There is no absolute truth only relative lies?

Best one so far.
Except that my statement, since it is being expressed at the relative level, is not true!

By extension neither is the above statement. (ie it is not true that it is not true)

By extension neither is the above statement. (ie it is not true that saying that it is not true, is not true.

Ad nauseum!
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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby seeker242 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:42 pm

Is there really a difference between the relative and the absolute when the heart sutra says "Form is emptiness, emptiness is form."?

Isn't this saying "the relative is the absolute and the absolute is the relative"?

Who makes the distinction between relative and absolute? Is there really such a distinction to begin with?
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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby oushi » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:46 pm

Sherab Dorje wrote:
oushi wrote:
Sherab Dorje wrote:There is no absolute truth only relative lies?

Best one so far.
Except that my statement, since it is being expressed at the relative level, is not true!

By extension neither is the above statement. (ie it is not true that it is not true)

By extension neither is the above statement. (ie it is not true that saying that it is not true, is not true.

Ad nauseum!
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Yes of course. By saying it, you will not make the world stop and illuminate everything with joyful bliss. There is no such sentence, as we would all know it by now. I said that your statement is the best so far, because it stops the desire for conceptualization. In certain circumstances it can trigger a confidence in the fact that there is no point in conceptualization. And that would be something very relieving.
Such sentences are tools, only tools... Nevertheless I will contemplate this one today.
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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby Ayu » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:06 pm

"I bow down to the most sublime of speakers, the completely awakened one who taught contingency (no cessation, no birth, no annihilation, no permanence, no coming, no going, no difference, no identity) to ease fixations."
(Nagarjunas Homage)


from Mulamadhyamakakarika
Because, if our mothers, who have been kind to us
From beginningless time, are suffering,
What can we do with (just) our own happiness?
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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby oushi » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:18 pm

Delusions do not exist, everything is real.
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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby Osho » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:51 pm

"The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao,
the name that can be named is not the eternal name."

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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby Gwenn Dana » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:58 pm

Do the Do.
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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby garudha » Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:13 am

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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby rob h » Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:40 am

Concentrate and direct your effort properly, have metta, karuna, and equanimity, and as the intuition is uncovered, the non-fashioning awareness will eventually be known as the natural state.
"A 'position', Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with." - MN 72
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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby LastLegend » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:42 am

:lol:
NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)
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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby rob h » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:26 pm

LastLegend wrote::lol:


What? It was just a longer and more detailed sentence! Had been drinking actually, couldn't resist posting. :|

Sober attempt :

Less attachments, less stress, more awareness.
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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby rob h » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:38 pm

Wu!
"A 'position', Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with." - MN 72
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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby Andrew » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:52 pm

Two that I like:

Tat Twam Asi / Thou art that


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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby Gwenn Dana » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:12 am

What we are looking for is what is looking -- Assisi.

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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby Qing Tian » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:38 am

What chair?
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Re: The absolute truth in one sentence

Postby Heterodox Garden » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:22 pm

I would think a mantra, dharani, or even a seed syllable could fulfill the purpose sought by this question. After all, mantras, dharanis, and seed syllables are direct expresions of the ultimate; i.e., while "normal" words and sentences represent a meaning, these others embody it.

So...some possibilities (by no means an exhaustive list):

A
Om
Aum
Gate Gate Pāragate Pārasaṃgate BodhiSsvāhā!
Om Mani Padmi Hum
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
Namu Amida Butsu / Nāmó Ēmítuófó

...and many others of course.

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