dzogchungpa wrote:Well, I guess I'm still unclear about what you are saying when you assert that nadi, prana and bindu are physical. If there is no distinction between matter and consciousness in Dzogchen, then they are neither mental nor physical, or equally mental and physical. Am I missing something?
They are physical because we have reified the five elements as concrete entities through the imputing ignorance. In other words, they are physical in the vision of mundane beings with afflictions like ourselves. It is the same with testing our realization with fire. If we cannot place our hand in a fire without burning it, we really ought to shut the &%#$ up about our "realization".
In other words, from the stand point of the accreted habits of ignorance built over many lifetimes, our bodies are physical, are born, abide and decay, and then we take a new one. From the standpoint of vidyā, our bodies and everything in the universe is an array of wisdom light.
People are fond of dissing the two stages, thinking that they are mighty mighty Dzogchen practitioners, but even ChNN relies heavily on the two stages and teaches then all the time. The two stages are an exercise in developing pure vision. Very necessary for everyone.