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Universe as a hologram?

Postby Sherab » Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:25 pm

More possible weirdness of the universe:

"New work gives credence to theory of universe as a hologram" - http://phys.org/news/2013-12-credence-t ... ogram.html
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Re: Universe as a hologram?

Postby kirtu » Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:59 pm

Haldane : "The universe is not only stranger than we think, it is stranger than we can think,"

Although Mahayana Buddhism (esp. Vajrayana) clearly also views the universe as holographic.

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Re: Universe as a hologram?

Postby reddust » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:16 pm

I read this article, I absolutely love this kind of science. I totally freaked myself out when I was studying anatomy in college and found out how the senses worked. At the time I was learning my basic meditation and grid of Buddhism. We see everything from the inside out! The brain takes energy waves our senses pick up and filters them through memory. I wondered what the world would look like if I had no conditioning or filters to look through?
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Re: Universe as a hologram?

Postby padma norbu » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:22 pm

I have been reading that the universe looks like a hologram now for over 20 years. It seems strange that this news is everywhere now, but I guess it's just more confirmation that it really does appear that way (for now, anyway). I watched a video on the HuffPo channel on my Roku box the other day about this. They were saying it's the latest theory, as String Theory is a theory, and though both might ultimately be wrong, it doesn't mean that they are not useful to keep probing and discovering. The numbers work out for now, anyway.

I'm not sure what this sort of thing does to my "faith," if I have any. Does it affect you guys negatively at all to see so much coming and going that doesn't really change anything? For me, I have already been through so many beliefs that I started out skeptical way back as a teenager and now, as someone who went through a couple decades of what appeared to be mind-bending awakening on the cusp of something really big, I find myself not very convinced of anything anymore. I still believe in bodhicitta, thankfully, but sometimes I do wonder why I do. By that I mean that we really have no idea what enlightenment is and have no real verifiable proof of what Buddhahood in fact is. If it's kind of a "magical act" we will through our thoughts and actions by dropping our layers of karmic obscurations, well these obscurations are the only world we know, so whatever is left after they're gone (ie. the deathless state of Buddhahood) is really a leap of faith that it's something good. Buddhism, at times, seems suicidal to me; it's like saying we don't know what it is, but it's got to be better than this... and so, for that reason, we are willing to annihilate our entire existence including the possibility of rebirth and, for renunciates, even this very life itself.

Oh well, sorry for a derailing, but these thoughts in paragraph 2 hardly seemed worthy of a new thread.
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Re: Universe as a hologram?

Postby Sherab » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:33 am

kirtu wrote:Haldane : "The universe is not only stranger than we think, it is stranger than we can think,"

Although Mahayana Buddhism (esp. Vajrayana) clearly also views the universe as holographic.

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I don't think vajrayana actually views the universe as holographic in the sense of it being a projection from a lower dimension space to a higher dimension space.
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Re: Universe as a hologram?

Postby dharmagoat » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:36 am

reddust wrote:I wondered what the world would look like if I had no conditioning or filters to look through?

"Everything and nothing" is my guess.
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Re: Universe as a hologram?

Postby Sherab » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:37 am

reddust wrote:I absolutely love this kind of science.

Me too. I've always been fascinated by science since I was little and has this curiosity of wanting to know how things are and how they actually works and ended up reading stuff that were beyond my grade. Not sure if I really understood what I read though.
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Re: Universe as a hologram?

Postby Sherab » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:40 am

dharmagoat wrote:
reddust wrote:I wondered what the world would look like if I had no conditioning or filters to look through?

"Everything and nothing" is my guess.

Ya, I think so. I think there will be no act of seeing and yet "everything" is "seen".
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Re: Universe as a hologram?

Postby Sherab » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:49 am

padma norbu wrote:By that I mean that we really have no idea what enlightenment is and have no real verifiable proof of what Buddhahood in fact is. If it's kind of a "magical act" we will through our thoughts and actions by dropping our layers of karmic obscurations, well these obscurations are the only world we know, so whatever is left after they're gone (ie. the deathless state of Buddhahood) is really a leap of faith that it's something good. Buddhism, at times, seems suicidal to me; it's like saying we don't know what it is, but it's got to be better than this... and so, for that reason, we are willing to annihilate our entire existence including the possibility of rebirth and, for renunciates, even this very life itself.

This is exactly why I find having a master that one can really trust and have confidence in is very useful. I know that my master is different from the ordinary and it is on that that I felt that there is hope yet for me to be get out of the "ordinary".
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Re: Universe as a hologram?

Postby padma norbu » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:31 am

Sherab wrote:
padma norbu wrote:By that I mean that we really have no idea what enlightenment is and have no real verifiable proof of what Buddhahood in fact is. If it's kind of a "magical act" we will through our thoughts and actions by dropping our layers of karmic obscurations, well these obscurations are the only world we know, so whatever is left after they're gone (ie. the deathless state of Buddhahood) is really a leap of faith that it's something good. Buddhism, at times, seems suicidal to me; it's like saying we don't know what it is, but it's got to be better than this... and so, for that reason, we are willing to annihilate our entire existence including the possibility of rebirth and, for renunciates, even this very life itself.

This is exactly why I find having a master that one can really trust and have confidence in is very useful. I know that my master is different from the ordinary and it is on that that I felt that there is hope yet for me to be get out of the "ordinary".


I have every confidence that no master could stop my brain from working the way it does. Namkhai Norbu is great, imo, and I am happy with him. I am analytical by nature and nothing is going to stop me from considering the possibility of being wrong except possibly the development of siddhis with which I routinely see the truth of all things just as sure as I am sitting here now (although I have been known to question whether or not I am really sitting here!). Long ago, I realized, for example, that if some magnificent and seemingly benevolent being appeared before me and by some sort of darshan filled me with confidence and love and knowledge that he was a benevolent deity, unless he replaced my 'self' with something else, he could not stop me from skeptical thoughts like "sure, he seems nice, but is he really Satan? An alien?" Etc. It could be a classic Fireclown scenario.

I realize all of this sounds very negative, but I don't mean it to be. This is just how I think and I am quite honest about what I think.
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Re: Universe as a hologram?

Postby padma norbu » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:40 am

I don't know why I referenced Fireclown. Clearly, very few people have read that book.
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