Dear Believer....

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Dear Believer....

Postby plwk » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:12 am



Why Do You Believe? Why Buddhism? :popcorn:
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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:58 am

"Come, Kalamas. Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing;
nor upon tradition; nor upon rumor;
nor upon what is in a scripture; nor upon surmise;
nor upon an axiom; nor upon specious reasoning;
nor upon a bias toward a notion that has been pondered over;
nor upon another's seeming ability;
nor upon the consideration, 'The monk is our teacher.'
Kalamas, when you yourselves know: 'These things are good;
these things are not blamable; these things are praised by the wise;
undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness,'
enter on and abide in them.


The Buddha, Kalama Sutta Anguttara Nikaya 3.65
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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby Sherab Dorje » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:03 am

Dear (fanatical) believer of scientific materialism,

You are as blind in your faith, in what what you believe is the truth, as the fanatics (not believers, as you refer to them) that you criticise.

Check your mind before running off at the mouth, that way you look like less of a hypocritical fool!
"When one is not in accord with the true view
Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby dharmagoat » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:28 am

What distinction do you make between a fanatic and a believer?
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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby Sherab Dorje » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:29 am

dharmagoat wrote:What distinction do you make between a fanatic and a believer?
Receptivity to the views of others .
"When one is not in accord with the true view
Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby dharmagoat » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:32 am

Sherab Dorje wrote:
dharmagoat wrote:What distinction do you make between a fanatic and a believer?
Receptivity to the views of others .

Yes, I see where you are coming from now.

Although the video makes some valid points, it is very closed-minded in its attitude.
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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby Matt J » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:03 pm

One of the amazing things I experience is that as I get older, I can watch scientific paradigms rise and pass away. When I was younger, all the science books assured me that the brain did not change and matter was solid. Now, scientists are amazed the discover that the brain DOES change and matter is not solid at all.

Sherab Dorje wrote:Dear (fanatical) believer of scientific materialism,

You are as blind in your faith, in what what you believe is the truth, as the fanatics (not believers, as you refer to them) that you criticise.

Check your mind before running off at the mouth, that way you look like less of a hypocritical fool!
The Great Way is not difficult
If only there is no picking or choosing
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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby tidathep » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:33 pm

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I think I was a true Buddhist in my past life..that was why I was reborn into a Buddhist family..seeing my mom kneel in front of the Buddhas-shrine every morning/night...I loved my mom so I kneeled beside her/prayed with her. My mom loves Buddhas..so I love Buddha...all my life I'm always near someone who truly love Buddhas. Reading/studying Buddhas'Dhamma all my life..I know this is the path to ETERNAL TRUTH...no doubt in my mind!!!

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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:57 pm

The atheist message in the video is just as attached to his views as faith-followers as some of you have noted, but there are some valid points.

The vast majority of people around the world do follow the religion of their parents. Nothing wrong with that, if there is at least some investigation of other faiths, religions, secular-humanism, etc. And then if one comes back to their birth-religion, then fine; at least it would be after a comparative investigation.

People frequently register or join a political party different from their parents. But for something much more important (possible eternal damnation, swimming in a lake of fire, rebirth as a gnat, etc.), they just accept the religion of their parents and ancestors without even reading, investigating any other religion.

Here is this point made by Sangharkshita:

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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby Simon E. » Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:12 pm

" There are no ' born Buddhists.' Each person has to come to the Buddha's teachings themselves. I would go so far as to say that being born into a Buddhist culture can be a very effective means of adopting the cultural accretions and missing the true significance of things ".

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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby Paul » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:18 pm

:shrug: Well yeah, it's obvious to anyone who's ever thought about this for a moment.

As long as there are concepts there are spiritual paths.
This nature of mind is spontaneously present.
That spontaneity I was told is the dakini aspect.
Recognizing this should help me
Not to be stuck with fear of being sued.

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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby Karma Dorje » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:30 pm

dharmagoat wrote:Although the video makes some valid points, it is very closed-minded in its attitude.


Validity can't be ascribed to points, only to arguments. And there is no necessary connection between validity and truth value.
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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby seeker242 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:04 pm

Does one believe Albert Einstein when it comes to mathematics and physics, even though one personally has absolutely no idea what he's talking about? The Buddha is the Albert Einstein of suffering! Do you try to 2nd guess Mr. Einstein when you never even studied rudimentary physics to begin with? Well, you can if you want, I guess. You would probably be better off just taking his word for it though.
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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby padma norbu » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:09 am

Personally, I liked the video in the OP.
"Use what seems like poison as medicine. We can use our personal suffering as the path to compassion for all beings." Pema Chodron
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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby dharmagoat » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:03 pm

padma norbu wrote:Personally, I liked the video in the OP.

Burn the heretic!

(What fun. I am usually the heretic.)
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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby plwk » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:12 pm

Personally, I liked the video in the OP.

Burn the heretic!

(What fun. I am usually the heretic.)
Roast mutton is not on everyone's menu...
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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby tidathep » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:17 pm

[quote="David N. Snyder"]The atheist message in the video is just as attached to his views as faith-followers as some of you have noted, but there are some valid points.

The vast majority of people around the world do follow the religion of their parents. Nothing wrong with that, if there is at least some investigation of other faiths, religions, secular-humanism, etc. And then if one comes back to their birth-religion, then fine; at least it would be after a comparative investigation.

People frequently register or join a political party different from their parents. But for something much more important (possible eternal damnation, swimming in a lake of fire, rebirth as a gnat, etc.), they just accept the religion of their parents and ancestors without even reading, investigating any other religion.
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There are Muslims/Christians/Hindu in Thailand, so we have to study their religions in college, I had a Muslim girl as my best friend..loved Muslim food/desserts at her house. My Christian friends invited me to sing Christmas songs with them on stage..fun!
Just want to say that I studied RELIGION COMPARISON in college.

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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby Nosta » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:50 pm

Matt J wrote:One of the amazing things I experience is that as I get older, I can watch scientific paradigms rise and pass away. When I was younger, all the science books assured me that the brain did not change and matter was solid. Now, scientists are amazed the discover that the brain DOES change and matter is not solid at all.



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Re: Dear Believer....

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:19 am

plwk wrote:
Personally, I liked the video in the OP.

Burn the heretic!

(What fun. I am usually the heretic.)
Roast mutton is not on everyone's menu...
Roasted bananas though? Yum-yum! :smile:
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Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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