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Former US President Bill Clinton turns to Buddhism

Postby plwk » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:54 pm

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According to thebuddhism.net news site, in an article dated January 10th, 2013, former US President Bill Clinton has hired his own personal Buddhist monk to teach him how to properly meditate.

Bill is learning to meditate and has reportedly turned to a vegan diet as well. All this change has apparently been influenced by his recent heart scare where in February 2004 when he was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital in New York City because he started experiencing some awful chest pains.
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Re: Former US President Bill Clinton turns to Buddhism

Postby Madeliaette » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:20 pm

Let us hope that health-concerns leads to spiritual wealth and not just physical improvement! :twothumbsup:
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Re: Former US President Bill Clinton turns to Buddhism

Postby Jikan » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:21 pm

hired his own personal Buddhist monk to teach him how to properly meditate.


just when did Buddhist teachers become health care professionals?
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Re: Former US President Bill Clinton turns to Buddhism

Postby plwk » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:51 pm

Jikan wrote:
hired his own personal Buddhist monk to teach him how to properly meditate.


just when did Buddhist teachers become health care professionals?

Uh Malcolm Smith aka Namdrol is a Doctor of Tibetan Medicine.

Some have also told me that some Chinese monastics have knowledge of traditional Chinese medicine but I guess that may be a case of how in the olden days' Chinese education, medicine was one of the standard field of studies? One that come to mind is the late Ven Master Xuan Hua of the City of Ten Thousand Buddhas in California...
http://cttbusa.org/founder/biography.htm
At fifteen, he took refuge under the Venerable Master Chang Zhi. That same year he began to attend school and mastered the Four Books, the Five Classics, the texts of various Chinese schools of thought, and the fields of medicine, divination, astrology, and physiognomy.
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Re: Former US President Bill Clinton turns to Buddhism

Postby Yudron » Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:57 pm

Jikan wrote:
hired his own personal Buddhist monk to teach him how to properly meditate.


just when did Buddhist teachers become health care professionals?


First of all this is old news about Bill, the story cited can be traced back to a gossip web site early last year. Whether Clinton is "embracing Buddhism" or whether it was really a Buddhist monk who taught him to meditate is open to question.

That being said, at least here in California, Mindfulness meditation ala Jon Kabat Zinn has gone mainstream in the U.S. and is profoundly improving countless people's well-being and health for the better. It has been and is being extensively studied as a medical intervention--and there are even posters on the walls of my Health Maintenance Organization (a common way folks get healthcare now in the U.S.) advocating meditation, along with eating right and exercising.

Although to us, these programs that take shamatha meditation and divorce them from Buddhism, may seem light weight--and for me utterly uninteresting--we really should not ignore them. For example, there are 1400 people signed up for the upcoming Wisdom 2.0 conference in San Francisco. I went to a pre-party to meet some of them this week. The people I met there were mostly tech industry people who unplug themselves from their devices for some period each day and do some kind of practice, and mindfulness is the most popular practice in my informal pole. One person I met actually works for a company in SF with a one hour PAID meditation time each morning before the they start work. This guy had learned to meditate for his job! The main thing that struck me about these people was that they looked really happy--and there was no alcohol served.

It seems to me that, having calmed their minds, a percent of these people are really ripe for the Dharma.
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Re: Former US President Bill Clinton turns to Buddhism

Postby Jikan » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:04 pm

I'm writing my dissertation right now (well not right NOW exactly... ) on instrumental uses of "mindfulness": in the workplace, as therapy, in schools, and so on. I agree, it's really interesting. It does pose some tricky questions though: if this expertise in this practice becomes a professional qualification (cue Trungpa's Myth of Freedom on the topic of accumulating credentials), then how does one demonstrate competence? and so on. It's a remarkable thing.
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Re: Former US President Bill Clinton turns to Buddhism

Postby rachmiel » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:20 pm

Per Wikipedia:

In 2012, U-T San Diego estimated U.S. practitioners at 1.2 million people, of whom 40% are living in Southern California.

SoCal ... yous guys! ;-)
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Re: Former US President Bill Clinton turns to Buddhism

Postby Yudron » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:31 pm

Jikan wrote:I'm writing my dissertation right now (well not right NOW exactly... ) on instrumental uses of "mindfulness": in the workplace, as therapy, in schools, and so on. I agree, it's really interesting. It does pose some tricky questions though: if this expertise in this practice becomes a professional qualification (cue Trungpa's Myth of Freedom on the topic of accumulating credentials), then how does one demonstrate competence? and so on. It's a remarkable thing.


Well, you certainly know a lot more than I do about the topic. My yawn button is pushed by the whole mindfulness thing, big time.

I don't think Trungpa Rinpoche's warnings apply here because they do not consider themselves to be on a path to enlightenment.

The chair of Ford Motor Company called the Wisdom 2.0 conference wanting to be added to the program because he is a meditator. This movement is certainly unique in history.
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Re: Former US President Bill Clinton turns to Buddhism

Postby Jikan » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:30 pm

Yudron wrote:
Jikan wrote:I'm writing my dissertation right now (well not right NOW exactly... ) on instrumental uses of "mindfulness": in the workplace, as therapy, in schools, and so on. I agree, it's really interesting. It does pose some tricky questions though: if this expertise in this practice becomes a professional qualification (cue Trungpa's Myth of Freedom on the topic of accumulating credentials), then how does one demonstrate competence? and so on. It's a remarkable thing.


Well, you certainly know a lot more than I do about the topic. My yawn button is pushed by the whole mindfulness thing, big time.

I don't think Trungpa Rinpoche's warnings apply here because they do not consider themselves to be on a path to enlightenment.

The chair of Ford Motor Company called the Wisdom 2.0 conference wanting to be added to the program because he is a meditator. This movement is certainly unique in history.


OK, off to track down that source on the boss at Ford...

...but before I do, it seems to me that some in the "mindfulness" or "conscious capitalist" or "contemplative pedagogy" or "consciousness and leadership" set do indeed believe themselves to be committed to a path of enlightenment. Or that they're already there, or are close, because their life coaches are. All this opens onto some wild territory claiming and defending: our consciousness-enhancement is the best and brightest, much better and brighter than yours. For instance...

http://www.indiegogo.com/kenwilberbio

We will produce a documentary series that illustrates Integral thought and establishes Ken Wilber as the most important and best known philosopher of our times.


A group called Buddhafest based here in DC just sent out an announcement on this very topic; it suggests to me that there is a point of contact between Buddhist communities in the US at least and this new phenomenon of secularized meditation performance-enhancement optimization therapeutics for leaders if you will.

http://dc.shambhala.org/program-details/?id=121193

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Re: Former US President Bill Clinton turns to Buddhism

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:46 pm

I think It is spiritual materialism..but hey, that's better than just personal materialism.

Really there are plenty of people who recoil at anything they perceive as mystical or "spiritual", this kind of thing gets those people sitting, can't be a bad thing.
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Re: Former US President Bill Clinton turns to Buddhism

Postby Jikan » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:53 pm

Sure. It gets some of them sitting regularly, and some of those start reading Thich Nhat Hanh and Kabat-Zinn, and some of those go on to read the Dalai Lama, and so on.

Some of it is genuinely helpful, too. mindfulness-based dialectical behavior therapy (m linehan) is one of the few things that helps borderline personalities, for instance.

as a cultural phenomenon (I'm in cultural studies), it's a wild ride though.
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Re: Former US President Bill Clinton turns to Buddhism

Postby Yudron » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:53 pm

And a lot of people want to keep going to church or synagog and do a meditation that does not require changing religions.
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Re: Former US President Bill Clinton turns to Buddhism

Postby Sara H » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:54 am

plwk wrote:Image

According to thebuddhism.net news site, in an article dated January 10th, 2013, former US President Bill Clinton has hired his own personal Buddhist monk to teach him how to properly meditate.

Bill is learning to meditate and has reportedly turned to a vegan diet as well. All this change has apparently been influenced by his recent heart scare where in February 2004 when he was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital in New York City because he started experiencing some awful chest pains.
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Good for him.

That's really wonderful news.
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