Ram's Interpretation of the Lotus Sutra

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Re: Ram's Interpretation of the Lotus Sutra

Postby ram peswani » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:54 am

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Andrew108 wrote:There is just the realization of dharmata. No size differences. No path differences. Realize dharmata and then tell me all about the differences between the yanas.


After studying this site i understood what the word dharmata stands for.
It is an understanding that all dharmas are empty.

While practicing in Hinayana one sheds off all the desires and emotions by meditating on the understanding that all the dharmas are empty (Dharmata).
Continuously understand in meditation dharmata one comes to a stage of No self.

NO SELF stage is a destination probably the nearest word is stage of RIGPA.

And understanding dharmata one can reach stage of Rigpa or NO SELF.

Now can you make me understand ( In details please) as to how you have arrived at the conclusion that I do not realize "dharmata" ?

And my question to you is "have you realized "No self" or Rigpa stage? ( a personal question invites another personal question. I hope you do not mind )
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Re: Ram's Interpretation of the Lotus Sutra

Postby Andrew108 » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:08 am

You are dharmata of course that is your nature. It's not something new to be realized. If there is a difference between me and you then there would be a difference in the yanas. Only on a conventional level can differences be said to exist. What I have is what you have and vice versa.
The Blessed One said:

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.
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Re: The Lotus Sutra

Postby ram peswani » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:34 am

[quote="ram peswani"]
[*]Guatam Budh SHARPLY divided these two paths.
For the first 20 years he taught only Hinayana and HID away the path of
Mahayana from everyone else.


WHY?

[*]He started the path of Mahayana at Eagle Peak in India for 1200 monks only.
Infact he had invited 12000 monks at Eagle Peak out of lakhs of monk disciples
who were following his path.

He rejected 10800 monks at Eagle Peak after certain studies.


WHY?


Has anyone the answers other than what I have given?
Or Is Lotus sutra in Guatam Buddha's words a "LIONS ROAR" and it creates fear?
Or in declining times of Buddhas' reign even LEARNED buddhists
will shudder to read, study, experience Lotus sutra?

Every Buddha has to create a universe ..Otherwise he is not entitled for the seat of Buddha.Guatam Budh came in physical human body like you and me and then he spoke Lotus sutra. If Budhahood is the destination of all bhuddhist then they should not avoid understanding Lotus sutra. And the sites and forum which discourage Lotus sutra are not complete. They are not doing their job properly.
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Re: Ram's Interpretation of the Lotus Sutra

Postby Andrew108 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:53 am

Universes aren't created Ram. This is one of the intentions of the Lotus Sutra. The full intention of the Lotus Sutra is to point to wisdom that is self-arisen, not dependent on causes and that is beyond concepts or the absence of concepts. In practice the intention is that as soon as something is said to have arisen it is also said to be free. Like drawing a picture on water. Pretty good eh?
The Blessed One said:

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.
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Re: Ram's Interpretation of the Lotus Sutra

Postby ram peswani » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:04 pm

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Andrew108 wrote:Universes aren't created Ram. This is one of the intentions of the Lotus Sutra. The full intention of the Lotus Sutra is to point to wisdom that is self-arisen, not dependent on causes and that is beyond concepts or the absence of concepts. In practice the intention is that as soon as something is said to have arisen it is also said to be free. Like drawing a picture on water. Pretty good eh?




Extracts from chapter 6 and chapter 8



I announce this to the monks:
when I employ the Buddha eye
to observe Kashyapa here,
he will be able to become a Buddha.
His land will be pure and clean,

the ground of lapis lazuli.
Many jeweled trees
will line the roadsides,
with golden ropes to mark the roads,
and those who see it will rejoice.
It will constantly emit a pleasing fragrance,
with heaps of rare flowers scattered around
and many kinds of strange and wonderful things
for its adornment.
The land will be level and smooth,
without hills or depressions.
This Buddha will have a life span
of twelve small kalpas,
and his Counterfeit Law
for twenty small kalpas.
Light Bright World-Honored One
will be of this description.

Now this Purna in the past
And later he will become a Buddha
known by the name Law Bright.
His land will be called Good and Pure
and will be composed of the seven treasures.
The kalpa will be named Treasure Bright.
There will be no women there
and non of the evil paths of existence.
The monk Purna
has won all these blessings to the fullest
and will acquire a pure land such as this,
with its great multitude of worthies and sages.
Of the countless matters pertaining to it
I have now spoken only in brief.
The life span of this Buddha will be sixty thousand kalpas,
his Correct Law will endure twice that time,
his Counterfeit Law twice that time again,


Purna will rule for 60000 Kalpas.
Each kalpa is 1343540000 years.

Will our earth survive for these many years.
or will our sun survive.
or will our galaxi survive.
or will the multitude of galaxis coming out of our universe of 14 billion years survive.
14 billion is 14000000000 years
Purna universe is 80000000000000 years approx.

What does all this explain?

What is the meaning of enduring of his law?
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Re: Ram's Interpretation of the Lotus Sutra

Postby Andrew108 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:13 pm

Hi Ram. I'm going to wait 60000 kalpas before I reply to you.
The Blessed One said:

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.
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Re: Ram's Interpretation of the Lotus Sutra

Postby ram peswani » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:22 pm

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Andrew108 wrote:Hi Ram. I'm going to wait 60000 kalpas before I reply to you.



Have I to remain alone with Lotus sutra for that many years. How sad of me.Since 1994 I have been searching for a company on Lotus sutra and now I am over 75 and at the end of my life. Already last 18 years have been lonely. Please do not mind if I cry on your shoulder.
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Re: Ram's Interpretation of the Lotus Sutra

Postby Andrew108 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:40 pm

O.K now I'm back. Wow that 60000 kalpas didn't take so long after all. Or is it that there is no time? I wonder what the sutras say about time:

In the Prajnaparamita the buddha said:
''No beginning is perceptible,
No end is perceptible,
And nothing in between is perceptible either''

What else?

In the 'Sutra of the Mother' the Buddha said:
''The past is imperceptible, the future is imperceptible, and the
present is imperceptible...The three times are equality.''

What about being lonely?

In the 'Sutra of the Mother' the Buddha said:
''No actor is perceptible and no action is perceptible either.''

Still lonely? Why not think about becoming a Buddha?

In the sutras the Buddha taught:
''The Tathagata is a phenomenon that never arises, and all other
phenomenon are similar to the sugata.''

But then if this is all too much to take and suffering gets you down then:
''Suffering is empty of suffering.'' Prajnaparamita Suta.

But what about sentient beings?
''Sentient beings do not exist, so no life force can be found either-
These phenomenon are like bubbles of foam and banana trees,
Like illusions, like lightning in the sky,
Like water-moons, like mirages.''

BUT truth be told I like your interpretation of the Lotus Sutra much more than mine. Your interpretation has a lot of fantasy in it that I find appealing. Lots to keep busy with. Hope is a good thing right? But it takes too much work for me. I'm just too lazy.
The Blessed One said:

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.
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Re: Ram's Interpretation of the Lotus Sutra

Postby ram peswani » Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:53 pm

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Andrew108 wrote:O.K now I'm back.
In the Prajnaparamita the buddha said:
''No beginning is perceptible,
No end is perceptible,
And nothing in between is perceptible either''

What else?

In the 'Sutra of the Mother' the Buddha said:
''The past is imperceptible, the future is imperceptible, and the
present is imperceptible...The three times are equality.''

What about being lonely?

In the 'Sutra of the Mother' the Buddha said:
''No actor is perceptible and no action is perceptible either.''

Still lonely? Why not think about becoming a Buddha?

In the sutras the Buddha taught:
''The Tathagata is a phenomenon that never arises, and all other
phenomenon are similar to the sugata.''

But then if this is all too much to take and suffering gets you down then:
''Suffering is empty of suffering.'' Prajnaparamita Suta.

But what about sentient beings?
''Sentient beings do not exist, so no life force can be found either-
These phenomenon are like bubbles of foam and banana trees,
Like illusions, like lightning in the sky,
Like water-moons, like mirages.''

BUT truth be told I like your interpretation of the Lotus Sutra much more than mine. Your interpretation has a lot of fantasy in it that I find appealing. Lots to keep busy with. Hope is a good thing right? But it takes too much work for me. I'm just too lazy.



Whatever you have mentioned above is the absolute TRUTH.

But it is DEFINATELY NOT the Bhuddhism.
This is the forum for Bhuddhism which should end in Buddhahood.

Budddha advised that keep this absolute TRUTH in front of you always but thro SELF develop Wisdom, increase your Yana (body) size and the method he advised is the path of

SELF / NO SELF alternately.
I am / I am not alternately.
And Grow the vehicle/yana

That is the final TRUTH of Bhuddism and it is totally absent in Buddhism in these times. All the bhuddists have killed the Buddha.

Only staying in Absolute Truth is cowardly and Guatam expelled the remaining 10800 monks at Eagle peak, who did not accept the Lotus sutra.
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Re: Ram's Interpretation of the Lotus Sutra

Postby Andrew108 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:22 pm

Sounds good Ram. Best wishes.
The Blessed One said:

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.
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Re: The Lotus Sutra

Postby ram peswani » Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:20 am

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ram peswani wrote:Hinayana (small vehicle) / Mahayana (greater vehicle)

Hina means small
Yana means vehicle
Maha means large or greater

Guatam Budh SHARPLY divided these two paths.
For the first 20 years he taught only Hinayana and HID away the path of
Mahayana from everyone else.

He started the path of Mahayana at Eagle Peak in India for 1200 monks only.
Infact he had invited 12000 monks at Eagle Peak out of lakhs of monk disciples
who were following his path.

He rejected 10800 monks at Eagle Peak after certain studies.

The reason for this is that the path of Hinayana suddenly takes a U-turn to lead to
the path of Mahayana.

And the point of U-turn is very very important.

A TRUE "NO SELF" stage is this point.

The path of Hinayana is of OUTFLOWS. The Body (yana) vehicle throw out the
desires and emotions. These desires and emotions are an unnecessary load on
the yana and slow it down.

The path of Mahayana is of receiving INFLOWS from every where around. The
inflows of desires and emotions are then purified thro Hinayana Wisdom and
added to the yana. In this way we grow the size of yana. This is the path of Maha-
yana or greater vehicle.

Material wealth cannot be carried thro DEATH in this yana.
But the size of yana is permanent addition and can be carried to next birth.
Your prosperity, luck, servants, followers, birth situation: all these depend on the
size of your yana.

"No Self" stage is a stafe beyond the stage of Arhat.
An Arhat goes to Moksh (freedom from rebirth) because he has not TRUELY
reached No self stage. In him there is a hidden Self which desires for Moksh.

A mahayanist goes thro this stage of Self and No self alternately deliberated to
grow this vehicle. In this way he helps the existence as this greater vehicle can
load more life and pass on the Wisdom, Knowledge by being an example
themselves.

Buddha...A vehicle has to grow to a certain large state to be called Buddha.
Existence as a whole is changing ( moving) very fast and the Buddha
Vehicle has to reach this speed of moving.
Nirvan ... Is next higher stage where the Yana cannnot grow further due to
matching in speed of existence. The Inflows have stopped and hence the
growing of Buddha yana has stopped. The alternate path of Self and
No-Self does not occur any more. The Buddha has gone to complete
rest beyond Time and Space. Time and Space are the creation of the
motion of Existence.



Specific questions on this site

1. Why hide lotus sutra for 20 years?
2. Why reject 10800 arhats/rigpas/no selfs?
3. why the U-turn? Making/ruling a universe by Buddhas in Lotus sutra requires DESIRES and the path of Hinayana/ thervada/Dzogchen/Tibetean leads to NO-DESIRES.

Not understanding and accepting these questions is either REjECTION on this site of Lotus sutra or IGNORANCE of Lotus sutra.
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Pleasant surprise

Postby ram peswani » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:17 am

Extremely pleasant shock

I was pulled to meditation by Buddhas in 1992.

In meditation Lotus sutra was taught to me.

After 19 years I came out to Buddha Dharma sites to share Lotus sutra.
To my utter shock I learnt that Lotus sutra is unknown to Bhuddist world.

Also I understood that without understanding Lotus sutra Buddhism is of NO USE
for practical purpose.

While chapter 15 "Emerging from the Earth" mentions that many Bhoddisattvas
who follow Lotus Sutra will emerge from this earth.

So I had the relook alround and to my utter surprise I found that Lord Shiva in
Brahamkumari association has been creating a wonderful universe since many
thousand years and already His universe is far advanced compared to others.

I doubt that any Buddhist will agree and understand this. As the present
Buddhism has no Lotus sutra eyes. They are blind to the Lotus sutra and hence
blind to the CREATIVITY process of this universe. This earth is at present playing
a very important role in this direction,

I consider CHRIST and His followers on the path of COMPASSION also following
Lotus sutra.
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Re: Pleasant surprise

Postby Stewart » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:03 am

Pure gibberish. Dont bring that BS here.

If you're talking about 'Brahma Kumaris'... They are a well known and established cult banned and investigated by several governments and agencies. Good luck with that.
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Re: Ram's Interpretation of the Lotus Sutra

Postby Stewart » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:24 am

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