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Worried about Demons/Asuras

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Worried about Demons/Asuras

Postby Tom » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:24 am

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Re: Worried about Demons/Asuras

Postby Ben » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:32 am

Charles, I don;t think you should worry about demons or asuras.
Focus instead on what is essential: sila (morality), samadhi (calm/concentration), panna (wisdom/insight).
kind regards,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Worried about Demons/Asuras

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Re: Worried about Demons/Asuras

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Re: Worried about Demons/Asuras

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Re: Worried about Demons/Asuras

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Re: Worried about Demons/Asuras

Postby DAWN » Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:37 pm

Charles !
First of all - STOP panic !

There is nothnik what can brings you pain! The only pain that can arose is your fear.
Try to understand what is actualy your fear.
- fear to die?
- fear of pain?
- fear of hell?
- fear of what? There is no any contact ! The only door is your mind.

So!
You wondering what you ould offer to them (to your illusion). This offer, it's not obsorbtion - it's FEAR that you offer. They are made by fear, and your fear make them exist. Only what they want it's just EXIST, like us, like all beaings thay want just to exist.
So you offer them this existance. By your fear you offer a condition of their existance. Like a fly who comes to night light - it's the same.

More you fear - more they exist.

But use your buddhist compassion !
Think a little bit, they dont want your life, or our soul, or whats ever, they wants just to exist... I donk know how much you compassion is developed, but naturaly i feel compassion to them. It's sad... It's wery sad... They want exist... Imagine a little bit... I want to cry when i think about those ignorant beings... The only wah that they find to exist, it's make fragile peoples fear... I'am sure they are sorry, but they can not do another way... Exuse them, and be compassionate.

Only metta !

You know, once i dwelt at the night in some forest. It was scary the first time. And in this forest there was animals, big rats. At the begining i was scared of them, but when i putt my fear in the trash, i saw... that actualy it's not me who are afraid, but it's them who are afraid !! They felt so scary by my presence !

Dont be afraid, they feel fear more than you, it's sure. And you know why they feel fear of you? Because it's not yours existance what is conditioned by them, but is their existance what is conditioned by you...

Stop fear.

Develop your morality at the maximum.
When your morality is pure - you are not afraid by any situation, no any enemy, enywhere. Make good deads, develop your metta to all beings, not just to your ego, or your body, who even not belogns to you. There is nothing that belongs to you, even this fear...so why you feel fear? You fear to lose something?... It's realy sad, because you have nothing to be losed.

So!
Three consils:
- find what is the nature of your fear (death, hell, soul...)
- uproot this fear
- develop your morality, do good deeds, have no regrets.

There is some suttas:

Ud 1.7
When,
with regard to his own qualities,[1]
a brahman is one
who has gone beyond,
he transcends this goblin
and his pandemonium

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

And there is an another sutta in SN, but i dont remember, when Buddha said that when a bhikkhu have a perfect morality there is no any enemy, here there or every where. True problem is morality. heart of problem is morality!
So stop cry please, there is nothing evil, and go develop your morality. Read DN1, and do only good deeds.

With metta :|
Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...

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Re: Worried about Demons/Asuras

Postby khlawng » Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:57 pm

Charles, this is like a whole string of dependant origination happening right before you as you describe it textually. From a simple thought->feeling of anxiety->craving to get away from asuras/demons->your action of asking them to leave->an entire mass of suffering.

Logically speaking, why is this one particular thought any different from the other nonsense that fills our heads every second, every minute of everyday? Why pay so much attention to this one thought? Thoughts come and go all the time. When it comes, look at it and if it is of no value, no substance, set it aside and don't dwell on it. Maybe you should look at it that way.

If that doesn't help you with your anxiety, like you said there are chants that can help. Have you tried sending loving kindness to all beings around you? Especially to those asuras and demons, tell them you mean them no harm and that you have taken refuge in the triple gem. Send them merits and ask for their protection so that you can get on with your practise and maybe come back and help them when you have attained.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Worried about Demons/Asuras

Postby santa100 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:17 pm

It might help to know that asuras or hell dwellers or hungry ghosts are also sentient beings who're subjected to much suffering just like us humans (or even more than that). They're busy enough facing their own suffering so I don't think they'd want to bother us. That's the job of another guy (Mara)... :tongue: So send them metta and wish them well. Cultivate the Brahmaviharas and recite the Metta Sutta frequently and everything will be ok..
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

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Re: Worried about Demons/Asuras

Postby Tom » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:05 pm

Thank you all for the advice, I truly appreciate it.


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