Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Snovid » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:41 pm

I dont know,I show what I found,look:

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Jalü and Merkabah

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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Seishin » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:41 pm

Snovid wrote:
Holy Spirit = Kundalini = Chi = Ki
other names but the same energy


Says who?

If you honestly believe that the Holy Spirit = Kundalini = Chi = Ki then you obviously have no idea what the Holy Spirit is according to christianity. This is misinformation.
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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Simon E. » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:43 pm

Seishin wrote:
Snovid wrote:
Holy Spirit = Kundalini = Chi = Ki
other names but the same energy


Says who?

If you honestly believe that the Holy Spirit = Kundalini = Chi = Ki then you obviously have no idea what the Holy Spirit is according to christianity. This is misinformation.

He has no idea about kundalini or chi either.
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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Simon E. » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:47 pm

Snowvid you can post as many pretty pictures as you like, it will still only prove that you are dwelling in aversion to the religion that you were born into..which is not a valid platform to understand Dharma.
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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Seishin » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:47 pm

Simon E. wrote:He has no idea about kundalini or chi either.


Agreed
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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Jikan » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:15 pm

Well...

There are some New Age schools (some of them going back a hundred years in the US) that do teach a correlation between aspects of the Trinity and aspects of Hindu tantrism (shakti, kundalini, &c). To give an example, Vitvan presented shakti as christos; his teacher Mozumdar was intensely interested in the Gospels. Vitvan's book The Christos describes all this.*

Seishin's right that none of this would be acceptable to any tradition of Christianity. It's the coin of the realm on the New Age scene for many years, though. I think this may be where Snovid's interests reside.


*Incidentally, I've met some of Vitvan's students (more precisely, students-of-students-of-students). I like them: their conduct, commitment, and demeanor reflects well on their practice. So I bring them up out of respect, and not as a target for criticism. www.sno.org
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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Snovid » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:26 pm

You have professed an interest in Chnn. He has Chiristian priests and monks among his students. He does not require them to stop being priests and monks.


Dont You think this is a prof?
He does not require them to stop being priests and monks
because
they make the same,they work with the same energy with different name :)

Apple(eng) and jabłko(pol) are the same fruit
name is different but name is only word.
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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Simon E. » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:31 pm

He does not require them to stop being Christians because Dzogchen does not require them to.
He also has at least one Sufi teacher among his students.
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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Snovid » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:35 pm

How about this?

http://108mohicans.blogspot.com/search/ ... C4%99czowe

"The Raibow Body Phenomenon" with Father Francis Tiso, Implications for Research and Religion, Institute of Noetic Sciences, IONS Library
http://noetic.org/library/audio-lecture ... rancis-ti/

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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Simon E. » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:40 pm

What about it ?
That has nothing to do with your o.p. it rather suggests the opposite. It is you that proposed the bonkers notion that Christians are barred from Dharma because they have been baptised.
I think your basic misunderstanding of Dharma go much deeper than a language problem.
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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Seishin » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:44 pm

The similarity in images and iconography is because Buddhist and Christian images were first created by the Greek empire, it doesn't prove anything you have been saying.
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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby theanarchist » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:17 pm

Snovid wrote:I dont know,I show what I found,look:

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That only seems to prove that Jesus was a Vulkan.. :tongue:
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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Snovid » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:11 am

There are many proper names in the Old Testament affixed with yhv (yeho- or -yahu), and yhvh is the very name of God, which is known from inscriptions dated c. 830 BC.

The Hebrew derivation of yhv is unclear, and scholars have suggested that it may have a non-Israelite origin, with some seeking meanings in Aramaic or Arabic or Egyptian ~ although it appears that no one has considered Sanskrit sources, where the same term is found with exactly the connotations appropriate to the biblical usage.

ya is “a goer or mover”, “the wind”, “joining, restraining, or abandoning”, “fame or light”.

yA is “going, restraining, and attaining”, indicating “a carriage, religious meditation, or the yoniliÑgam”.

yad is “who, which, what, whichever, whatever, or that”, indicating “the puruSa”.

And yeSu is the locative plural case.

yahu is “restless or swift” or “mighty or strong” (synonymous with mahat); also indicating “an offspring or child”, as an equivalent of putra ~ e.g. sahasoyahuH = sahasoputraH (“son of strength”), both used in reference to agni.

yahva is “restless, swift, active (as agni, indra, soma), or continually moving or flowing (as the waters)”, and likewise it is synonymous with mahat; also indicating “the sacrificer” (yajamAna).

yahvI is “heaven and earth” or “the flowing waters” (often as sapta yahvI).

And yahvat is “the ever-flowing (waters)”.

So that yahvaH or yahvIH (yahweh) and iLAH (allah) are almost identical terms ~ with the Rgveda as the primary source for all monotheistic religions.

http://hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3125


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Mosaic presenting Jesus as the Sun or the Apollo-Helios from the beginning of the fourth century BC. Currently, picture this is in the Basilica of St. Peter in the Vatican, under a gentlemen "agreement", it is assumed that the mosaic shows Jesus!
Only whence these "horses" in that case?
Does Jesus was driving the chariot?

http://minos-minal-omfalos.blogspot.com ... ba_20.html

In my opinion christianity/neojudaism("NEWdaism") is kind of plagiarism.
For example:
Vedanta = Gnosis = Kabbalah - three different names for the same knowledge

All people on Earth are born and die in the same way
everyone lives the same life
life energy, chakras, etc., are present in all.

So
what's the problem?
In shamanism and some Buddhist paths,developing spiritual faculties is supported

Judaism/Christianity/Islam - religions only one in trinity ;)
try to block in the people their spiritual abilities,why?
Because in these religions, the idea is to keep the sytem lord-slave.
Believers must kneel and serve,must be dependent on intermediaries between god and man.
These religions are constructed in such a way to strengthen human weaknesses.

Give me the money and I I connect with God on your behalf
I will told you how you should live, I will live instead of you
as if I too had died instead of you.

In churches learns people to be defenseless.
Only in this way priests are still needed
because believers can not do anything themselves
they must not contain marriages without a priest
baptize children,celebrate funerals
for everything they have to pay their lords/priests.

Believers work that priests be able to live at their expense
People do not have time for spiritual practice because they work
Priests do not work so they can practice all day :)

This is why I do not trust the church
and I consider the Abrahamic religions as false and dangerous.

Of course,this is not the Buddhist view
but I am not a Buddhist :)
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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Simon E. » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:22 am

fair enough...you do realise that this is a Buddhist forum ?
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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Seishin » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:39 am

Snovid wrote:Judaism/Christianity/Islam - religions only one in trinity ;)
try to block in the people their spiritual abilities,why?
Because in these religions, the idea is to keep the sytem lord-slave.
Believers must kneel and serve,must be dependent on intermediaries between god and man.
These religions are constructed in such a way to strengthen human weaknesses.

Where on earth are you getting this idea from? You have no proof of this. It is obvious you have some kind of vendetta against Christianity. Please note this is a Buddhist forum and bad-mouthing other religions is not a good thing to do.

Snovid wrote:Of course,this is not the Buddhist view
but I am not a Buddhist :)


Then why are you trying to convince us that Christianity is going to block our "energies"?

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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Snovid » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:39 pm

Where on earth are you getting this idea from? You have no proof of this.

Believers are the best prof:)

If Youneed more,ok.
What is satanism in church opinion?
Satanism is everything what is not christianity :)


This is beliver , if You can,ask someone about translate this "wisdom".
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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Seishin » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:42 pm

Someone's "belief" is not proof.

Also please note in the Terms of Service

This is not a "comparative religion site", it is a site to learn and discuss the Buddha's teachings without animosity. In support of this:

~ Badmouthing of other spiritual paths is not allowed.
~ Proselyting/evangelizing other paths which includes for example arguing some other path is superior to the Buddhist path is not allowed.

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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Jeff » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:14 pm

Hi Snovid,

I am a follower/believer in Jesus. He was an very important master who is still "accessible". While my perspective is more gnostic than institutionalized, I would be happy to discuss your concerns/issues with the Christ based tradition.

I believe that you are greatly mistaken and would be happy to explain what happens with things like baptism and communion on a energetic and mystical level.

Best wishes,
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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby theanarchist » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:12 pm

Snovid wrote:If Youneed more,ok.
What is satanism in church opinion?
Satanism is everything what is not christianity :)
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Complete nonsense, like the rest of your postings...

Firstly there no "the" church. There are various christian churches.

And secondly, if you for example ask the pope (who is speaking for a lot of christians) whether muslims or Siberian shaman, or Taoists, or Hindus are satanists, he will most likely deny that.

If you are not a Buddhist, then why do you post anti Christian propaganda on a Buddhist website?
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Re: Baptism - Is For Certainly "only" Sacrament?

Postby Simon E. » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:17 pm

A question many of us have been pondering... 8-)
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