"Maha prajna paramita 8000 wrote:Subhuti: But how can perfect wisdom instruct the Tathagata in this world
if all dharmas are unknowable and imperceptible?
The Lord: It is good, Subhuti, that you should have decided to question
the Tathagata about this matter. All dharmas are indeed unknowable and
imperceptible. Because they are empty, and do not lean on anything. It is thus
that all those dharmas have, thanks to perfect wisdom, been fully known by theTathagatas. For another reason also the perfection of wisdom can be regarded as
the instructress of the Tathagatas in this world, i.e. because none of the skandhas
has been viewed.
Subhuti: How can there be a non-viewing of form, etc.?
The Lord: Where there arises an act of consciousness which has none of
the skandhas for objective support, there the non-viewing of form, etc., takes
place. But just this non-viewing of the skandhas is the viewing of the world. That
is the way in which the world is viewed by that Tathagata. It is thus that perfect
wisdom acts as an instructress in the world to the Tathagatas. And how does
perfect wisdom show up the world for what it is? She shows that the world is
empty, unthinkable, calmly quiet. As purified of itself she shows up the world, she
makes it known, she indicates it.
Subhuti: Deep, O Lord, is perfect wisdom. Certainly as a great enterprise
has this perfection of wisdom been set up, as an unthinkable, incomparable,
immeasurable, incalculable enterprise, as an enterprise which equals the
The Lord: So it is, Subhuti. And why is it an unthinkable enterprise?
Because unthinkable are Tathagatahood, Buddhahood, Self-existence, and the
state of all-knowledge. And on these one cannot reflect with one’s thought, since
they cannot be an object of thought, or of volition, or of any of the dharmas
which constitute thought. And why is it an incomparable enterprise? Because one
cannot reflect on Tathagatahood, etc., nor compare it. And why is it
immeasurable? Because Tathagatahood, etc., is immeasurable. And why is
it incalculable? Because Tathagatahood, etc., is incalculable. And why is it an
enterprise which equals the unequalled? Because nothing can equal to the
Tathagata, to the fully Enlightened One, to the Self-existent, to the All-knowing,
how much less can anything be superior to him?
Subhuti: Do these five attributes apply only to Tathagatahood, etc., or also
to the skandhas, and to all dharmas?
The Lord: They apply to them also. Also the skandhas, and also all
dharmas are unthinkable. For with regard to the true essential nature of form,
etc., there is no thought, nor volition, nor any of the dharmas which constitute
thought, nor any comparing. For that reason the skandhas and all dharmas are
also unthinkable and uncomparable. They are also immeasurable, because
one cannot conceive of a measure of form, etc., since such a measure does not
exist, in consequence of the infinitude of all dharmas. They are also incalculable,
because they have risen above all possibility of counting. They are also equal to
the unequalled, because all dharmas are the same as space.
I think all is clear now.
Sherab Dorje wrote:So it depends on verbal gymnastics? Okay. I want to define omniscience as ignorance of the true state of phenomena. So I guess that makes us all omniscient.
And you think that conventional definitions come from God? All definitions are relative. If I define omniscience as X and you will define it as Y, how can we find out who is right? Definitions are just agreed assumptions, nothing more.
We can either rely on authority, or check if a statement is logically consistent. Best thing we can get is logically consistent statement of authoritative person. Like this quote above...