lama tsewang wrote:dear Karma Dorje , do u ever say anything positive and constructive?
Do you ever make misttakes in what you type here?
do you know anything about the conventions coneected with the monastic lifestyle,
apaart from your opinions ?
many of the beings here make a lot of statements which are just opinions , and opinons of people with little experience of being cut.often such opibnions voice ones mere prejudices based upon ones conditioning and the societys norms . mixing these opinions in with dharma can make a horrible tasting soup. telling long standing monks that they dont know about how monks live and dont know , is both very rude and certainly very very proud.
you really think you know better!!!!!!
lama tsewang wrote:sorry inbisible diamond ,but it does work , as i said , you have to have experience with centers , other than what youre familiar witth . it does work.
lama tsewang wrote:Part of the difficulty with this thread here, for me, is that many of the people contributing here, have limited experience of the greater Buddhist world , apart from Tibetan Buddhism as practiced in the west .
Monks are supported by the populace because of the services they provide for the population. This might be rituals , profoundly informed Dharma teaching, meditation instruction , to schooling for children.
We Bhikshus are to live in dependence on the population , helping people in return for offerings.
So this question about having lots of sponsors is moot , its wrong minded and self defeating. Buddhist monks have always been helping the people around them, thats how we survive.
lamatsewang wrote: In fact, there is lots of support for Tibetan Buddhism in this country teachers for all of these centers are being suppoprted , there is the funding. There isnt enough funding for centers here that will be able to train teachers who are local, fully , well trained western people, the funds arent being directed , to fund local things, (i believe) . , In fact , many of the centers here are branches of monasteries in Asia.
I believe strongly that for the teachings to flourish here local people have to teach and administer the Sanghas locally.
monastic centers are the best places for non monastics to do retreats or get good scholarly Dharma education , they are not merely places for a Monastic elite to live off of offerings from wealthy millionaires. Such places are the best way to make Dharma solid here . Otherwise Tibetan Buddhism will just be relying on imports from Asia with all of its attendant problems.
lama tsewang wrote:read karma dorjes contribution , hes not giving opinions. its stated as fact, his "facts" are merely opinions , as i said we monks live because people give us requisites , partly because we provide services , ask any theravada monk , thats the sanghas story.
we exist to serve the population , thats what we tell each other .
conebeckham wrote:That's the other factor--to have a Western Monastic community, you need Western Monastics. They are few and far between, and as I said, my experience is that very few maintain proper ordination, etc. I'm sorry to say it, but I am being honest.
JKhedrup wrote:While the suitability of some Westerners for ordination may be questioned, I don't think anyone would argue that we have a great deal of power, or funding- the povery and lack of support is pretty apparent.
lama tsewang wrote:o really i think that many here dont know what that really means , because i dont think that many peole here have experience ( i may be very wrong) of any Buddhist centres , outside of the little tibetan buddhist centers that exist everywhere. I dont htink they have seen any real monasticenters , or only very rarely.
So many of us here have a very distorted, one sided picture of buddhist practice.
these laypersons centers eveywhere dont really in my view represent how buddhism is practised.
Indrajala wrote:conebeckham wrote:That's the other factor--to have a Western Monastic community, you need Western Monastics. They are few and far between, and as I said, my experience is that very few maintain proper ordination, etc. I'm sorry to say it, but I am being honest.
Do you think Tibetan monks are any better?
KonchokZoepa wrote:well if that is going to happen, the vajrayana will really become a rare and secret vehicle.
the monastic institutions are basically the holders of all the lineages and if that dissappears you can guess what happens to the lineages, they will go underground most likely.
in a prophecy by the buddha, the Dharma will last 5000 years after his death, but maybe the only tradition that survives that long is the theravada and mahayana.
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