Boundaries of "I"

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Re: Boundaries of "I"

Postby Nothing » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:25 pm

You are now talking about the workings of the brain which is not my specialist subject.
So when you say "You can do it by relaxing, and accepting", would mean the mind works better in a relaxed state rather than being active?.....under your specific approach?

If peace were to work at this level, then there should be no such things as dislikes etc, maybe they are still there with your approach but I don't have these views, they have been cleared out before this new "I".
In that case, there are still views in your approach at this level.....based on your approach.

When you say by "hitting someone" are you suggesting a cause.....and later there will be an effect.....is this what you mean in this?.....again, these are resolved before this new "I"

The way I see these two "I"s are it is an illusion.....to be resolved. It appears that this new "I" is overlapping the old "I".....if solved, there must be a level above.

Your approach is def different but I can see where you are coming from.
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Re: Boundaries of "I"

Postby oushi » Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:20 pm

Nothing wrote:would mean the mind works better in a relaxed state rather than being active?

Depends what you mean by "better".
Nothing wrote:In that case, there are still views in your approach at this level.....based on your approach.

There is no problem with views. They are like sheeps. Problem is the shepherd dog.
The way I see these two "I"s are it is an illusion.....to be resolved.

And what is not an illusion? What is there to be found?
It appears that this new "I" is overlapping the old "I".....if solved, there must be a level above.

Like sky above the sky?
Your approach is def different but I can see where you are coming from.

Good, because even I don't know that.
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Re: Boundaries of "I"

Postby Nothing » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:28 pm

oushi wrote:
Nothing wrote:would mean the mind works better in a relaxed state rather than being active?

Depends what you mean by "better".

Better in terms of progressing towards peace for the mind.
Nothing wrote:In that case, there are still views in your approach at this level.....based on your approach.

There is no problem with views. They are like sheeps. Problem is the shepherd dog.

yes, exactly, just a view until it is in peace.
The way I see these two "I"s are it is an illusion.....to be resolved.

And what is not an illusion? What is there to be found?

peace.
It appears that this new "I" is overlapping the old "I".....if solved, there must be a level above.

Like sky above the sky?

yes, a nice way to describe it.

Here is something interesting for you.....In the 3rd Matrix film, at the very end where Neo fights Agent Smith, the big fight.....
Neo being one side of the brain and Smith being the other side.....? when the fight ends.....there is peace!
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Re: Boundaries of "I"

Postby Dechen Norbu » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:43 pm

oushi wrote:
Nothing wrote:would mean the mind works better in a relaxed state rather than being active?

Depends what you mean by "better".
Nothing wrote:In that case, there are still views in your approach at this level.....based on your approach.

There is no problem with views. They are like sheeps. Problem is the shepherd dog.
The way I see these two "I"s are it is an illusion.....to be resolved.

And what is not an illusion? What is there to be found?
It appears that this new "I" is overlapping the old "I".....if solved, there must be a level above.

Like sky above the sky?
Your approach is def different but I can see where you are coming from.

Good, because even I don't know that.

You should write a book. :lol:
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Re: Boundaries of "I"

Postby oushi » Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:08 am

Dechen Norbu wrote:You should write a book.

About? :D
Nothing wrote:peace for the mind

What is that? Could you elaborate?
Nothing wrote:Here is something interesting for you.....In the 3rd Matrix film, at the very end where Neo fights Agent Smith, the big fight.....
Neo being one side of the brain and Smith being the other side.....? when the fight ends.....there is peace!

There is a better story, that even kids know. Adam and Eve in paradise. Not everyone knows that there were two trees in the garden. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life. Mind and heart, left and right. When you reach for the fruit of differentiating mind, you loose the paradise. Like Seng Ts'an said:"Make a hairbreadth difference, and Heaven and Earth are set apart".
There is also a snake in the story, desire to know. Same thing as shepherd dog mentioned earlier. The very source of the confusion.
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Re: Boundaries of "I"

Postby Dechen Norbu » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:01 am

I don't know, but I suspect it would be a good reading. I for one had a few laughs reading your last post.
oushi wrote:
Your approach is def different but I can see where you are coming from.

Good, because even I don't know that.

This part cracked me up ;)
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Re: Boundaries of "I"

Postby oushi » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:59 am

Dechen Norbu wrote:I don't know

Excellent subject!
Sometimes honesty leaves space for nothing but laughter :D
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Re: Boundaries of "I"

Postby Dechen Norbu » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:55 am

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