Low spirit

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Low spirit

Postby Snovid » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:47 am

How to deal with apathy and doubt in myselves?
(not about to doubt ours master, and teachings which he gives)

Sometimes I think I do not something practice perfectly
is often the case that I do practice properly,but I think it's contrary
because I am a perfectionist and this visual learner

If I do not have everything at points of
and with pictures
then I'm lost inside.

When I'm so lost inside
I'm losing confidence in myselves

When I lose faith in myself
appear sorrow and anger

and then I fall into a depression and no longer practice.

Which in addition to visits to the doctor
(who heals depression chemistry and drugs)
we can do from spiritual side
to get rid of depression, apathy, etc?
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Re: Low spirit

Postby jeeprs » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:58 am

This may sound unexpected advice, but physical culture, like for instance Tao Chi, martial arts, Qi Gong, or even just aerobic exercise of some kind, like very strenuous walking, can often assist regulating your internal climate. Hard exercise releases endorphins and also promotes a sense of physical well-being and relaxation. There are studies around which talk about using exercise to combat depression. So consider that. I have always found it very helpful in my life.
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Re: Low spirit

Postby oushi » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:08 am

Sometimes I think I do not something practice perfectly
is often the case that I do practice properly,but I think it's contrary
because I am a perfectionist and this visual learner

If I do not have everything at points of
and with pictures
then I'm lost inside.

When I'm so lost inside
I'm losing confidence in myselves

When I lose faith in myself
appear sorrow and anger

and then I fall into a depression and no longer practice.

Very good and honest investigation. Read it from bottom to top and just continue investigating. Why do you want to practice perfectly? To get free from sorrow and anger? Desire for perfect practice is itself the cause of suffering, which is clear from your conclusions. The perfection you are seeking is nothing but end of seeking it.

Itivuttaka 55

Sensual search, becoming-search,
together with the holy-life search
i.e., grasping at truth
based on an accumulation
of viewpoints:
through the relinquishing of searches
& the abolishing of viewpoints
of one dispassionate to
all passion,
and released in the ending
of craving,
through the ending of searches, the monk
is devoid of perplexity &
desire.
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Re: Low spirit

Postby Snovid » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:22 am

Why do you want to practice perfectly?

Because
I try to approach to spirituality
in a responsible manner ;p

If I decided to practice
I want to do it properly or not at all :)
I do not want to waste time to practice which do not bring results.
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Re: Low spirit

Postby oushi » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:04 pm

Snowid wrote:
Why do you want to practice perfectly?

Because
I try to approach to spirituality
in a responsible manner ;p

If I decided to practice
I want to do it properly or not at all :)
I do not want to waste time to practice which do not bring results.

Ok, you are not fully aware of your own findings. In OP you described suffering and it's causes. Let me show you.

1. There is sorrow and anger
2. It is caused by lack of self confidence
3. Which happens when you are lost inside
4. Which is a result of not having everything at point
5. This expectation is driven by desire to be perfect
6. When you think it isn't.

Your expectations (actually all expectations) create suffering. That is why I post Buddhas words explaining that even desire for holy-life creates suffering.
This desire is like your boss who is never satisfied with the results. This way you will never stop giving more and more. He is not interested in you happiness, quite contrary. Suffering is a stimuli for you. Thankfully, suffering is also a seed of Buddhahood, because it makes you look for way out of this stressful life. And you are doing precisely that. Just pay attention to what you wrote in your first post, and draw conclusion.
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Re: Low spirit

Postby Snovid » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:11 pm

Do I have to understand that the practice to which I received transmission
I can do anyhow?
Even though I'm not sure that I'm doing it right?
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Re: Low spirit

Postby oushi » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:18 pm

Snowid wrote:Do I have to understand that the practice to which I received transmission
I can do anyhow?
Even though I'm not sure that I'm doing it right?

I don't know that. You have to ask the person who gave you this transmission.
There is a small chance that this practice you were given, temporarily lifts the very principles of Dharma for your benefit. But I think it should be clarified. It looks like you are suffering by the desire to become. You practice something, but you would like to become a person that practices it perfectly, which generates suffering. This is obvious because every desire to become, creates suffering. Now when you know what bothers you, ask the person who gave you those guidelines, how those two relate to each other.
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Re: Low spirit

Postby Ramon1920 » Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:42 am

There is sutta that talks about householder grief and the grief of a spiritual person.

There is a sutta, I think spoken by Ananda or Shariputra, on the useful conceit like "the Buddha was a human, I am a human, it is possible for me to reach his level of attainment".

I'm a bit distracted right now and don't remember the sutta names. I think they might be useful here if someone can find the sutta names.
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Re: Low spirit

Postby LastLegend » Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:46 am

It's the food that you eat too.

Eat about 70-80% of whole grains, which is considered yang. Yin food will make you tired. The goal is to harmonize or neutralize yin and yang.
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Re: Low spirit

Postby Ramon1920 » Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:48 am

Some things you can do while depressed are:

Drink tea, coffee, yerba mate, etc.
Clean, dust, wash, air out the house, etc.
Offerings
Repair things
Study Dharma
Mantras: reciting and writing
Walk
Do tasks you've been putting off

These things relieve depression.
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Re: Low spirit

Postby Sherab Dorje » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:17 am

Do you suffer from, or have you been diagnosed with, clinical depression?
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"When one is not in accord with the true view
Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
Naropa - Summary of the View from The Eight Doha Treasures
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Re: Low spirit

Postby Snovid » Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:10 am

Me?
Yes :)
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Re: Low spirit

Postby Sherab Dorje » Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:28 pm

If you have been prescribed medication, teachers normally advise that you take your medication and seek solutions via meditation, diet, excercise, etc... as well.
"When one is not in accord with the true view
Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: Low spirit

Postby Dronma » Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:32 pm

Snowid wrote:If I decided to practice
I want to do it properly or not at all :)


Snowid, try to walk the middle path.
Practice a little, work a little, study a little, enjoy a little.
Always in a relaxed, open way.
And of course, try to keep presence whatever you do. :smile:
"My view is as vast as the sky, but my actions are finer than flour"
~ Padmasambhava ~
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Re: Low spirit

Postby Dorje Shedrub » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:36 am

My master says to do your best within your circumstances. I note that he says your best and not what you think should be your best.

Also, I reccomend walking or other exercises when depressed. Force yourself.
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