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Buddhaghosa on Visuddhimagga. Did he believe in it?

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Buddhaghosa on Visuddhimagga. Did he believe in it?

Postby Alex123 » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:42 pm

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Re: Buddhaghosa on Visudhimagga

Postby cooran » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:48 pm

Hello Alex,

Which Venerable wrote this? Is it the translator, or is it a layperson who paid for the printing of a book, or are you saying it was Ven. Buddhaghosa?

How can we check the quote? Is it on-line?

If not, what is the point of asking the question - knowing that many 'modern' theravadins have never read the available text translation?

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Re: Buddhaghosa on Visuddhimagga. Did he believe in it?

Postby daverupa » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:53 pm

Australian Buddhist monastic Shravasti Dhammika writes: "Even Buddhaghosa did not really believe that Theravada practice could lead to Nirvana. His Visuddhimagga is supposed to be a detailed, step by step guide to enlightenment. And yet in the postscript he says he hopes that the merit he has earned by writing the Vishuddhimagga will allow him to be reborn in heaven, abide there until Metteyya (Maitreya) appears, hear his teaching and then attain enlightenment."

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Re: Buddhaghosa on Visudhimagga

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Re: Buddhaghosa on Visuddhimagga. Did he believe in it?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:03 pm

That Buddhaghosa, what a joker. Best to burn that book.

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Re: Buddhaghosa on Visuddhimagga. Did he believe in it?

Postby santa100 » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:03 pm

The next paragraph in the Critics section of the wiki page seems to clarify it (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhaghosa):

"The section of text from the Visuddhimagga mentioned above exists only in the Sinhalese texts, not in the original Pali, and could therefore have been added by someone other than the author. In the final words of the conclusion of the original Pali text he writes: "This Path of Purification was made by the elder who is ... an ornament in the lineage of the elders who dwell in the Great Monastery and who are shining lights in the lineage of elders with unblemished enlightenment ..." Here, he clearly implies that he did accomplish the goal of enlightenment using the Theravada practice outlined in his manual. It would not be logical to assume that the section following it, about Metteyya Buddha, was in fact written by him, since it contradicts his previous statement"

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Re: Buddhaghosa on Visudhimagga

Postby Ben » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:48 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Buddhaghosa on Visuddhimagga. Did he believe in it?

Postby robertk » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:16 am

As has been explained so mnay time this last paragraph was added by the copyist. Enscribing the visuddimagga onto palm leaves was a long task and merit worthy.

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Re: Buddhaghosa on Visuddhimagga. Did he believe in it?

Postby cooran » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:21 am

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
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Re: Buddhaghosa on Visuddhimagga. Did he believe in it?

Postby rowyourboat » Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:52 pm

Phew!!
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Re: Buddhaghosa on Visuddhimagga. Did he believe in it?

Postby pilgrim » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:32 pm

Perhaps, future editions should strike out this page. After all, it is Buddhaghosa's VSM that we want, not the copyists aspirations, although much merit is due to him.

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