Lesson from the Sun

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Lesson from the Sun

Postby Zealot » Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:15 am

The sun blesses us in many ways. It, for one, is the source of all life on this planet. For that we should be thankful. But this lesson is not about.

For all of its blessings and great gift and offering it provides us, it is requisite of only one thing lest we feel it's pain: We must remain humble. For one with a bowed head is humble and mindful of the gifts that the sun provides. For one with a foolish head who wishes to know the sun, it punishes thee for looking into it's eye. In this pain of staring at the sun, we are given knowledge, however, that desire will lead us to suffering, and to be humble and accepting is to reap the fruits of this world correctly.

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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby Sherab Dorje » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:21 pm

Sun worship? That's a bit ancient isn't it?
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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby Indrajala » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:29 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:Sun worship? That's a bit ancient isn't it?
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Not in India.

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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby viniketa » Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:50 pm

Nor in most of Asia:

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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby alpha » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:28 pm

If you worship the sun why not worship the air you breath the space you move in ,the water you drink ,the food you eat?
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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby viniketa » Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:07 pm

alpha wrote:If you worship the sun why not worship the air you breath the space you move in ,the water you drink ,the food you eat?


Yes, why not? If we value life, we should value all that supports life. By treating the mundane as sacred, we come to better appreciate the mundane.

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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby greentara » Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:58 pm

Yes, a great Indian teacher said "We love women and money but are indifferent to the grass under our feet"
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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby Sherab Dorje » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:48 am

It is not necessary to worship some (any) thing in order to respect and acknowledge its importance .
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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby Zealot » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:23 pm

<-- Never said anything about worship.
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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby Karma Dorje » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:17 am

gregkavarnos wrote:It is not necessary to worship some (any) thing in order to respect and acknowledge its importance .
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Yet why not worship everything? Worship is done with the heart, respect and acknowledgement are done with the head. There are certain types of understanding that are best approached by surrender, going past the protestations of the mind: "Explain this!"
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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby lobster » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:44 am

Yes, a great Indian teacher said "We love women and money but are indifferent to the grass under our feet"

Ra ra Rasputin, Lover of the russian Queen . . . Boney M

Ra = Sun of Egyptian God
. . . however be that as it may . . .

the sun, and the grass (Potential Buddhas) and the women and the money
all important lessons . . . and now back to the records . . . :popcorn:
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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:18 am

Karma Dorje wrote:
gregkavarnos wrote:It is not necessary to worship some (any) thing in order to respect and acknowledge its importance .
:namaste:


Yet why not worship everything? Worship is done with the heart, respect and acknowledgement are done with the head. There are certain types of understanding that are best approached by surrender, going past the protestations of the mind: "Explain this!"
Pantheism? If I spent my whole time worshipping everything it wouldn't leave much time for anything alse really, would it? :tongue:
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One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby xtracorrupt » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:56 pm

I think justifying attachment to the sun is wrong, also saying that we need to suffer the consequences of something, when there is no reason for suffering.
Existence can be normal.
Ex:a Apple tree is a apple tree
Ex:Michael is Michael, Michael is who Michael is


Existence can be conditioned.
Ex: Apple tree is apple tree if apple tree grows
Ex: Michael is Michael if Michael is a king
Ex: Michael is Michael if Michael is walking
Ex: Michael is Michael if Michael is not walking

Existence can be unconditioned
Ex: Apple is apple tree once apple tree is grown for 50 weeks
Ex: Michael is Michael once Michael is a king
Ex: Michael is content Michael once Michael is walking
Ex: Michael is discontent Michael once Michael is walking.
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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby xtracorrupt » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:58 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:
Karma Dorje wrote:
gregkavarnos wrote:It is not necessary to worship some (any) thing in order to respect and acknowledge its importance .
:namaste:


Yet why not worship everything? Worship is done with the heart, respect and acknowledgement are done with the head. There are certain types of understanding that are best approached by surrender, going past the protestations of the mind: "Explain this!"
Pantheism? If I spent my whole time worshipping everything it wouldn't leave much time for anything alse really, would it? :tongue:
:namaste:


What if you worshipped only happiness? What else would u need time for?
Existence can be normal.
Ex:a Apple tree is a apple tree
Ex:Michael is Michael, Michael is who Michael is


Existence can be conditioned.
Ex: Apple tree is apple tree if apple tree grows
Ex: Michael is Michael if Michael is a king
Ex: Michael is Michael if Michael is walking
Ex: Michael is Michael if Michael is not walking

Existence can be unconditioned
Ex: Apple is apple tree once apple tree is grown for 50 weeks
Ex: Michael is Michael once Michael is a king
Ex: Michael is content Michael once Michael is walking
Ex: Michael is discontent Michael once Michael is walking.
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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:59 pm

xtracorrupt wrote:
gregkavarnos wrote:Pantheism? If I spent my whole time worshipping everything it wouldn't leave much time for anything alse really, would it? :tongue:


What if you worshipped only happiness? What else would u need time for?
Depends what you mean by happiness.
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Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby Karma Dorje » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:07 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:
Karma Dorje wrote:
gregkavarnos wrote:It is not necessary to worship some (any) thing in order to respect and acknowledge its importance .
:namaste:


Yet why not worship everything? Worship is done with the heart, respect and acknowledgement are done with the head. There are certain types of understanding that are best approached by surrender, going past the protestations of the mind: "Explain this!"
Pantheism? If I spent my whole time worshipping everything it wouldn't leave much time for anything alse really, would it? :tongue:
:namaste:


Well, the tantric approach of viewing all phenomena as the deities of the mandala is really the same thing... and leaving no time for anything else is exactly the point of such sacred outlook! ;)
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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:19 pm

It's only necessary to learn to worship one thing - excrement.

Then you'll end up worshiping the sun automatically.
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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby Karma Dorje » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:45 pm

Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote:It's only necessary to learn to worship one thing - excrement.

Then you'll end up worshiping the sun automatically.


That's BS.
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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:52 pm

If it is bull excretement, then yes! :tongue:
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Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: Lesson from the Sun

Postby lobster » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:37 am

Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote:It's only necessary to learn to worship one thing - excrement.

Then you'll end up worshiping the sun automatically.

:good:

I was once on retreat and we were asked to choose something to internally visualise and meditate on. Later at tea, we discussed our visual meditations. Most used flowers, candle flame, a Buddha etc. The wonderful and positive arisings they had experienced . . .
They should not have asked me. I choose a dog turd. Revulsion is an interesting thing. Luckily an experienced meditator was able to explain confirm the merit in focussing on the emptiness of all mind constructions . . . Personally I could not give a Sun . . .

OM MANI PADME BS :popcorn:
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