illusionsgame wrote:Stop thinking so much and go sit. It is irreverent to your practice. Think of suffering. Go sit.
ReasonAndRhyme wrote:illusionsgame wrote:Stop
thinking so much and go sit. It is irreverent to your practice. Think
of suffering. Go sit.
How can you say so? Who are you, to speak to Martin like that? His
teacher? Certainly not. You don't know anything about the background of
this question, do you? Maybe Martin is looking for a teacher, and maybe
he is ckecking out if DW or Shambhala is the right place for him. Even
if he's only asking out of curiosity, you still don't have the right to
forbid him to do so.
You are supposed to check a teacher for up to twelve years, and one
method of checking a potential teacher is to ask others what they know
about him. There is nothing wrong about this question.
I'm sorry, if this post sounds pretty aggressive, but hell, dude (or
dudette), you are trying to forbid somebody to ask a question.
What are you thinking?
gregkavarnos wrote:The relationship
between the two founders should have no bearing whatsoever on your
decision regarding which of the two groups to visit.
Comparing the two teachers (one of whom is dead, mind you) is probably
more valid rather than looking for dirt on their relationship.
I would recommend you vist both groups and decide which you will "join"
based on an objective analysis of your experiences during the visits.
Both groups and their teachers have their controversies and their strong
gregkavarnos wrote:I have contact
with Lama and lay sangha members from both "sides" of the Karmapa fiasco
and it has never been an issue with my practice.
Try not to let yourself get dragged into the petty interpersonal
politics and you will also have no problem.
If you go looking for trouble you will be sure to find it. Anywhere you
Jikan wrote:Hi Martin,
It seems to me your intentions are right. You might wish to visit both
centers and see for yourself. And some other centers too!
enjoy your journey
martin123 wrote:My sources could be inaccurrate,im just concerned about studying with a group that has a vendetta against another.
Stewart wrote:martin123 wrote:My
sources could be inaccurrate,im just concerned about studying with a
group that has a vendetta against another.
Probably best to avoid Ole then, he has quite a few vendettas against
other groups, Buddhist or otherwise.
Is it true or is it just slander? viewtopic.php?f=50&t=7407&start=0martin123 wrote:oh, if thats true that doesn't sound great.
gregkavarnos wrote:Is it true or is it justmartin123 wrote:oh,
if thats true that doesn't sound great.
http://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f= ... 07&start=0
conebeckham wrote:Yes, there was an adversarial relationship between the two. Ole was banned from teaching at Trungpa's centers and institutions, fairly early on. It's well-documented, and not worth spending any time on. Of much greater importance is the atmosphere, environment, accessibility, and general "vibe" you experience at either of these organization's centers. They are both not "orthodox" Karma Kagyu centers, in the sense that the KTD, KTC, Thrangu/ Mingyur Rinpoche/Kalu Rinpoche or other High Karma Kagyu centers are--or, rather, they are far less similar than any of those are to each other.....but I'm not placing any value judgement on that statement.
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