untxi wrote:The point is how to present the dharma and sangha to others, especially people who are radically outside socially conservative traditional Asian Buddhist society. Drive them away from dharma with hate
untxi wrote:It's intention is not to convince women that they are inferior. The audience is young male renunciates who require some fear of women to keep them on the path.
Specifically what is the benefit on that in a time and place where in secular life women are subject to sexual violence and objectification, as well as economic marginalization?
Women wanting full ordination is not necessarily a function of western liberal feminist ideas.
So the most senior nun must be subordinate to the most junior monk-- what's up with that?
My root teacher has said that there is one dharma. There is no male dharma and female dharma.
If we like, we can use the same Nagarjuna to analyze where the inferiority of women rests.
To share those verses outside of that context is a form of violence and contrary to the spirit of the dharma.
oushi wrote:untxi wrote:I think it would be a good idea to construct and subsequently enforce a policy of tolerance.
Enforce tolerance? That's self-contradicting.
Vidyaraja wrote:What about tolerance of viewpoints which contradict politically correct dogmas and thus are incorrectly labeled "hateful" because they disagree with modern, politically correct memes, such as the support of feminism or homosexuality? If a person felt that those things were incorrect and harmful, should he thus be silenced because those positions are considered "intolerant" by the apostles of "tolerance"?
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