Dharma Wheel

A Buddhist discussion forum on Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism
It is currently Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:19 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Forum rules


Please click here to view the forum rules



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 20 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Memorial/Passing Forum
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:41 am 
Online
Former staff member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:29 pm
Posts: 4612
Location: Baltimore, MD
We probably need a memorial/death announcement forum in order to announce deaths and to memorialize people.

Kirt

_________________
Kirt's Tibetan Translation Notes

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:00 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:47 am
Posts: 1434
Location: Globe
Quote:
We probably need a memorial/death announcement forum in order to announce deaths and to memorialize people.

Kirt

A tamasic forum of death? Is it really the best idea?

Kevin

_________________
ओं मणिपद्मे हूं

http://www.dalailama.com/webcasts/post/336-je-tsongkhapas-great-stages-of-the-path
http://www.ripple.org
http://caretoclick.com/save-the-rainforests/donate-clicks-likes-and-tweets-to-fight-climate-change-and-deforestation


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:11 am 
Online
Former staff member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:29 pm
Posts: 4612
Location: Baltimore, MD
Virgo wrote:
Quote:
We probably need a memorial/death announcement forum in order to announce deaths and to memorialize people.

Kirt

A tamasic forum of death? Is it really the best idea?

Kevin


Do you object to obituaries? In the best cases these are celebrations of parinirvana.

Kirt

_________________
Kirt's Tibetan Translation Notes

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:29 am 
Offline
Global Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:25 am
Posts: 1465
Location: Europe
To get informed about the death of users is not "tamasic" - it is "sattvic" (sentient).
(Ah, i missed the joke, didn't I ?)
Anyhow it is a very good idea, also because one gets the opportunity to do prayers just in time. I was informed of the death of a very dear member in another forum about one year later. This was a bad feeling. I thought, this internet is much too anonymus.

_________________
Metta, Karuna, Mudita, Upekha
*** om vajra krodha hayagrīva hulu hulu hūm phat**


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:19 am 
Offline
Former staff member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 9:27 pm
Posts: 10289
Location: Greece
Virgo wrote:
Quote:
We probably need a memorial/death announcement forum in order to announce deaths and to memorialize people.

Kirt

A tamasic forum of death? Is it really the best idea?

Kevin
I am just going to ignore the "tamasic" bit (not having a clue what you are talking about) and ask you: why would it be a bad idea?

_________________
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:09 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue May 15, 2012 11:09 am
Posts: 2552
Kevin is referencing the three Gunas of Samykha philosophy.
Sattva is balance and harmony.
Rajas is arousing and active.
Tamas is the quality of inertia and darkness, but why that should apply to Memorials of the dead escapes me.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:19 pm 
Offline
Global Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:25 am
Posts: 1465
Location: Europe
Simon E. wrote:
...
Tamas is the quality of inertia and darkness, but why that should apply to Memorials of the dead escapes me.

Sounds like a joke?

I know the term "tamasic" is used for "black" food (which for example should not be taken befor an initiation), like meat, fish, onion, alcohol... Also the passions like greed, hatred, anger, envy can be called tamasic, or baleful acts.

So i guess it was a joke and the ;) is missing.

_________________
Metta, Karuna, Mudita, Upekha
*** om vajra krodha hayagrīva hulu hulu hūm phat**


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:29 pm 
Offline
Former staff member
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:09 am
Posts: 2940
Location: Space is the Place
Ayu wrote:
I was informed of the death of a very dear member in another forum about one year later. This was a bad feeling. I thought, this internet is much too anonymus.


YEs.. I agree, but in the case of members here I wonder how we would be informed of anyone's passing if they are anonymous. . . I guess usually some members know each other in real time though. . .

_________________
Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:50 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue May 15, 2012 11:09 am
Posts: 2552
Ayu wrote:
Simon E. wrote:
...
Tamas is the quality of inertia and darkness, but why that should apply to Memorials of the dead escapes me.

Sounds like a joke?

I know the term "tamasic" is used for "black" food (which for example should not be taken befor an initiation), like meat, fish, onion, alcohol... Also the passions like greed, hatred, anger, envy can be called tamasic, or baleful acts.

So i guess it was a joke and the ;) is missing.

I am sure Kevin will inform us... :smile:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:34 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:11 pm
Posts: 1999
Location: France
I thought we were speaking of passing of masters, teachers and so on ... but why not us also (I'll tell you when it will happen to me)

Sönam

_________________
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:20 pm 
Online
Former staff member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:29 pm
Posts: 4612
Location: Baltimore, MD
Sönam wrote:
I thought we were speaking of passing of masters, teachers and so on ... but why not us also (I'll tell you when it will happen to me)

Sönam


Everyone, but most of the postings in this vein have been masters and teachers, etc. Just right now they are scattered over different forums.

Kirt

_________________
Kirt's Tibetan Translation Notes

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:47 am
Posts: 1434
Location: Globe
Simon E. wrote:
I am sure Kevin will inform us... :smile:

Thank you Simon; I was referencing the three gunas.

I just think it is sort of a bad energy to have a specific forum just for dead masters and/or practitioners. It will start off slow with just one, and then posters who stay here for a long time will slowly see it grow over time. It can lead to thoughts of the forum slowly filling up, full of the names of the dead, to thoughts that all good masters are going to die, it will be another fresh reminder to students of a master who has died every time they see their masters name there, etc. Also, for a sub-forum it creates a kind of stuck-energy which is very tamasic for a number of reasons.

I feel it would be better to simply have a separate thread in 'announcements' each time. But it is certainly not up to me.

Don't let me stop you from having your forum. I am just warning you that is overall a tamasic thing. By extension, it adds a tamasic vibration to the board in general.

All the best,


Kevin

_________________
ओं मणिपद्मे हूं

http://www.dalailama.com/webcasts/post/336-je-tsongkhapas-great-stages-of-the-path
http://www.ripple.org
http://caretoclick.com/save-the-rainforests/donate-clicks-likes-and-tweets-to-fight-climate-change-and-deforestation


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:50 pm 
Offline
Former staff member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 9:27 pm
Posts: 10289
Location: Greece
Virgo wrote:
I just think it is sort of a bad energy to have a specific forum just for dead masters and/or practitioners. It will start off slow with just one, and then posters who stay here for a long time will slowly see it grow over time. It can lead to thoughts of the forum slowly filling up, full of the names of the dead, to thoughts that all good masters are going to die, it will be another fresh reminder to students of a master who has died every time they see their masters name there, etc. Also, for a sub-forum it creates a kind of stuck-energy which is very tamasic for a number of reasons.
It can also be a damn fine lesson in impermanence. A stark reminder for the need to practice diligently while we still have this precious human existence. A method to assist in not forgetting the dead and their contributions (ie reminding us of the dependently arisen nature of phenomena). Etc...

Yogis practiced in charnel grounds surrounded by the rotting remains of sentient beings.

The Siddha Kankaripa saw the true nature of phenomena by meditating on his beloved wife's corpse.
Quote:
My Dakini-woman, my queen, my lady!
The visible form of my pure awareness,
Form not separate from me, nor yet a part of me,
The phenomenal appearance of empty space:
She is beyond compare and beyond words.


The Kapali Siddha Kapalapa meditated on the corpses of his wife and 5 sons that had died of a plague. He made his bone ornaments from his sons bones and his kapala from his wife's skull.

Etc...

So much for Samkhya notions of "bad vibes dude".

_________________
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:47 am
Posts: 1434
Location: Globe
Sherab Dorje wrote:
Virgo wrote:
I just think it is sort of a bad energy to have a specific forum just for dead masters and/or practitioners. It will start off slow with just one, and then posters who stay here for a long time will slowly see it grow over time. It can lead to thoughts of the forum slowly filling up, full of the names of the dead, to thoughts that all good masters are going to die, it will be another fresh reminder to students of a master who has died every time they see their masters name there, etc. Also, for a sub-forum it creates a kind of stuck-energy which is very tamasic for a number of reasons.
It can also be a damn fine lesson in impermanence. A stark reminder for the need to practice diligently while we still have this precious human existence. A method to assist in not forgetting the dead and their contributions (ie reminding us of the dependently arisen nature of phenomena). Etc...

Yogis practiced in charnel grounds surrounded by the rotting remains of sentient beings.

The Siddha Kankaripa saw the true nature of phenomena by meditating on his beloved wife's corpse.

Oh trust me, I am aware of death and have been around it my whole life. Our stomping grounds as teens were cemeteries, and I can assure you I spent much more time in large cemeteries than anyone here has over their life while I was growing up, unless you happen to work in one perhaps.

I also meditate on death and am aware of it's importance.

I am not saying we shouldn't let people die! All I am saying is that the thoughts and feeelings associated with those happening from people on the board who read or write those posts get's sort of petrified and stabilised by creating a specific forum for this. The energy cycles, recyclyes, much better and sort of washes out when it is in a more free-flowing forum like the announcements section.

I am a feng shui practitioner so I notice this kind of stuff.

Here is a nice article on the three gunas:
http://www.vedanet.com/2012/06/the-three-gunas-how-to-balance-your-consciousness/

It's Vedic, so you should show it some respect whether you agree with it or not, regardless if you want the forum or not.

All the best,

Kevin

_________________
ओं मणिपद्मे हूं

http://www.dalailama.com/webcasts/post/336-je-tsongkhapas-great-stages-of-the-path
http://www.ripple.org
http://caretoclick.com/save-the-rainforests/donate-clicks-likes-and-tweets-to-fight-climate-change-and-deforestation


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:24 pm 
Online
Former staff member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:29 pm
Posts: 4612
Location: Baltimore, MD
Virgo/Kevin, most Chinese temples I have been to have memorial walls or halls much like mausoleums in some cases. It's true that in some cases these places have what people might experience as negative energy. In other places, memorials are spread out throughout the temple grounds. This does not have the same feeling and is basically bright and uplifting.

I don't think a forum specifically for passing announcements and memorials will garner negative energy because often people add lineage prayers, images, mantras, etc. Also, I don't think this will happen in general. And as you know, contemplation of impermanence and death is very important. Most of the people very close to me in this life have left, beginning with my Grandfather at a young age (actually beginning before that but the experience did not stay with me). Now two of my main teachers from two different lineages have left and one teacher is quite ill. So I think this is quite important. Although we could leave it as it is now too.

However I had a close family member who encountered death personally as a young boy and was horrified. He never overcame this experience and IMO it hampered him spiritually his entire life. So some people will indeed have strong negative reactions (not implying that you are experiencing this).

Kirt

_________________
Kirt's Tibetan Translation Notes

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:27 pm 
Offline
Global Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:25 am
Posts: 1465
Location: Europe
To let people know that somebody died is not tamasic.

_________________
Metta, Karuna, Mudita, Upekha
*** om vajra krodha hayagrīva hulu hulu hūm phat**


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:14 pm 
Offline
Global Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:25 am
Posts: 1465
Location: Europe
Virgo wrote:
...
I am not saying we shouldn't let people die! All I am saying is that the thoughts and feeelings associated with those happening from people on the board who read or write those posts get's sort of petrified and stabilised by creating a specific forum for this. The energy cycles, recyclyes, much better and sort of washes out when it is in a more free-flowing forum like the announcements section.

I am a feng shui practitioner so I notice this kind of stuff.

Here is a nice article on the three gunas:
http://www.vedanet.com/2012/06/the-three-gunas-how-to-balance-your-consciousness/


This is a very fine article indeed. But it says nothing about petrifying people because of memorial places. "Tamasic" means "leading to dullness". This has nothing to do with knowing about death and having memorial places or cemeteries.
If somebody died, it is better to give a place to this circumstance, even in your own house. One should allow that in order to become healthy.
And not only buddhists but also hindu-tantric yogies do meditation on cemeteries. It opens the mind instead of staying dull.

Quote:
I also meditate on death and am aware of it's importance.

But then you must know, that there is no bad energy. To hide the death creates the bad energy.

_________________
Metta, Karuna, Mudita, Upekha
*** om vajra krodha hayagrīva hulu hulu hūm phat**


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:24 pm
Posts: 641
Location: Delaware
We could call it, "The Stupa."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:47 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 9:19 pm
Posts: 612
Location: Lafayette, CO
I think such a section on this forum would be a fine idea and hope it is implemented.

:namaste:

_________________
Pema Chophel པདྨ་ཆོས་འཕེལ


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:29 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:39 pm
Posts: 1270
Location: Gone Bush
Sounds good to me.

_________________
May all beings be happy


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 20 posts ] 

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group