flavio81 wrote:- Soy burgers, the more the better
Thrasymachus wrote:...it probably is contaminated with antibiotics and growth hormones.
Jainarayan wrote:Thrasymachus wrote:...it probably is contaminated with antibiotics and growth hormones.
Just a clarification here. Growth hormones are peptide (protein) hormones that are broken down in the stomach into their constituent amino acids, no different than amino acids from a steak or a soybean. Insulin is one such peptide hormone, hence the need for injection. It would be digested and never perform its job if taken orally. The same applies to any mammalian growth hormone; they must be injected to survive digestion. In fact, insulin and mammalian growth hormones differ by only one or two amino acids. So the issue of growth hormone is a non-issue and a false argument.
Qing Tian wrote:...
In general (please note this qualification) if someone is diabetic then potato is exceptionally bad for blood glucose levels and control, irrespective of how it is cooked. Although as with most things, moderation is fine.
Dr. John McDougall wrote:Sugar, Coated with Myths Sept. 2006
Sugar Does Not Cause Diabetes
After eating high-carbohydrate foods you might suspect that all that dietary sugar would cause the sugar in the blood to rise and this might lead to diabetes. That’s what many lay people believe. Even a few scientists have theorized that chronically elevated levels of sugar in the blood might wear out the insulin-producing cells of the pancreas and produce diabetes.11 Actually, this common thinking is incorrect—studies comparing sugar intake with risk of developing type-2 diabetes show people on high sugar diets are less likely to get diabetes.12 There is, however, a strong relationship between red meat consumption and diabetes.13
The lowest rates of diabetes in the world are found among populations that consume the most carbohydrate—for this reason type-2 diabetes is almost unknown in rural Asia, Africa, Mexico and Peru.14,15 However, when these people change to a diet rich in fats and low in carbohydrates they commonly become diabetic. Some of the highest rates of this disease (and associated obesity) are found in Hispanics, Native Americans, Polynesians, and Blacks who have recently adopted the American diet.16
The carbohydrates found in whole foods (starches, vegetables, and fruits) are much healthier to consume than refined sugars for a person wanting to prevent or cure type-2 diabetes for a variety of reasons—especially because of the adverse effects on weight gain and blood cholesterol and triglycerides of sugars compared to starches (more in next month’s newsletter). A high carbohydrate, vegan diet, has recently been shown to help diabetics stop medications and improve their overall health.20 (See my August 2006 newsletter)
11) Koyama M, Wada R, Sakuraba H, Mizukami H, Yagihashi S. Accelerated loss of islet beta cells in sucrose-fed Goto-Kakizaki rats, a genetic model of non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus. Am J Pathol. 1998 Aug;153(2):537-45.
12) Janket SJ, Manson JE, Sesso H, Buring JE, Liu S. A prospective study of sugar intake and risk of type 2 diabetes in women. Diabetes Care. 2003 Apr;26(4):1008-15.
13) Song Y, Manson JE, Buring JE, Liu S. A prospective study of red meat consumption and type 2 diabetes in middle-aged and elderly women: the women's health study. Diabetes Care. 2004 Sep;27(9):2108-15.
14) Kitagawa T. Increased incidence of non-insulin dependent diabetes mellitus among Japanese schoolchildren correlates with an increased intake of animal protein and fat. Clin Pediatr (Phila). 1998 Feb;37(2):111-5.
15) Llanos G. Diabetes in the Americas. Bull Pan Am Health Organ. 1994 Dec;28(4):285-301.
16) Egede LE, Dagogo-Jack S. Epidemiology of type 2 diabetes: focus on ethnic minorities. Med Clin North Am. 2005 Sep;89(5):949-75, viii.
20) Barnard ND, Cohen J, Jenkins DJ, Turner-McGrievy G, Gloede L, Jaster B, Seidl K, Green AA, Talpers S. A low-fat vegan diet improves glycemic control and cardiovascular risk factors in a randomized clinical trial in individuals with type 2 diabetes. Diabetes Care. 2006 Aug;29(8):1777-83.
Dr. John McDougall wrote:Americans are getting fatter-and dying from it!
A study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (vol. 66, p. 1264, 1997) by the department of biochemistry at the University of Sydney, Australia, found that beef raised insulin levels more than white pasta and that fish raised them more than whole-grain bread. When compared with rises in glucose levels, beef raised insulin levels 27 times higher than brown rice did!
Another important study showed that a high-complex-carbohydrate diet lowered insulin levels. In 1992, James Barnard, from the department of medicine at UCLA, published a study on the effects of such a diet, along with exercise, on hyperinsulinemia. After three weeks, adult-type diabetics and people identified with insulin resistance experienced a 30 percent reduction in insulin levels. They also showed a significant reduction in triglycerides (26 percent), cholesterol (22 percent), and weight (body mass index 4 percent).
Furthermore, the state of insulin resistance that the authors of these diets claim causes obesity is actually caused by obesity. The fatter you become, the more insulin resistant you will become-for one important reason: Insulin resistance is an adaptation that helps people avoid becoming even fatter-by reducing the effectiveness of insulin so it becomes less efficient at fat storage. It's a protective mechanism!
11. Am J Cardiol, vol. 69, p. 440, 1992
12. Cent Eur J Public Health, vol. 7, p. 122, 1999
Qing Tian wrote:PS. I too would suggest that Thrasymachus is banned from this thread. Frankly speaking I am unsure of his purpose on this site. I don't recall seeing a single positive, encouraging post of his. While this extreme negativity is often educational it is also largely unwelcome.
dzogchungpa wrote:Is there such a thing as veganism induced psychosis, or VIP?
Qing Tian wrote:My diet is not low-carb, but compared to what I was eating before my diagnosis of diabetes it is unequivocally lower-carb.
Sluigs et al. wrote:Pubmed: Dietary intake of total, animal, and vegetable protein and risk of type 2 diabetes in the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition (EPIC)-NL study.
During 10 years of follow-up, 918 incident cases of diabetes were documented. Diabetes risk increased with higher total protein (hazard ratio 2.15 [95% CI 1.77-2.60] highest vs. lowest quartile) and animal protein (2.18 [1.80-2.63]) intake.Adjustment for confounders did not materially change these results. Further adjustment for adiposity measures attenuated the associations. Vegetable protein was not related to diabetes. Consuming 5 energy % from total or animal rotein at the expense of 5 energy % from carbohydrates or fat increased diabetes risk.
Diets high in animal protein are associated with an increased diabetes risk. Our findings also suggest a similar association for total protein itself instead of only animal sources. Consumption of energy from protein at the expense of energy from either carbohydrates or fat may similarly increase diabetes risk. This finding indicates that accounting for protein content in dietary recommendations for diabetes prevention may be useful.
Kirsten Moller. et. al wrote:Corrections
Shai et al. report that either a Mediterranean diet or a low-carbohydrate diet was an effective alternative to a low-fat diet in terms of weight loss. Absolute values for the energy intake before and after the intervention are not given for any of the groups. However, the data provided in the article suggest that the weight loss in the low-carbohydrate group may have been simply a hypocaloric effect, even though the authors state that the energy intake in this group was not restricted. Thus, if the daily intake of carbohydrates was no more than 120 g (equal to 500 kcal), as stated in the Methods section, and if the fraction of the energy intake provided by carbohydrates was around 40%, as stated in Table 2, then the total daily energy intake in the low-carbohydrate group must have been no more than approximately 1250 kcal, which is significantly less than the daily intake targeted for the two other groups.
dzogchungpa wrote:Is there such a thing as veganism induced psychosis, or VIP?
Qing Tian wrote: I have stated that in lowering my carbohydrate input I have noticed that my BG levels are now within normal limits. This correlation is interesting, but but not once have I stated a causative link.
Qing Tian wrote:My carb intake was THIS BIG and now it is THIS BIG. This is, by ANY view, a definition of LOWERED.
Nemo wrote:I am amused at how Thras thinks all people are exactly like him in their dietary needs.
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