Is Soto Zen Gradual?

Re: Is Soto Zen Gradual?

Postby Anders » Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:48 am

tomamundsen wrote:
Anders Honore wrote:Soto Zen is obviously a sudden path.

It is obviously sudden and subtly gradual.

It is easy to find gradual elements. Thankfully. A school that only taught sudden approach would be a dangerous thing for many people, I think. My point was simply that I don't think Soto Zen is any less of a sudden path that others who carry that moniker.
"Even if my body should be burnt to death in the fires of hell
I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice"

--- Gandavyuha Sutra
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Re: Is Soto Zen Gradual?

Postby zangskar » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:15 pm

Interesting discussion. :twothumbsup:

I wanted to mention there is another interesting looking discussion in the form of a new Dogen anthology edited by S. Heine coming out next month: ... 62&sr=1-19
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Re: Is Soto Zen Gradual?

Postby Astus » Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:03 pm

"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
(Sheng-yen: Getting the Buddha Mind, p 73)

"Neither cultivation nor seated meditation — this is the pure Chan of Tathagata."
(Mazu Daoyi, X1321p3b23; tr. Jinhua Jia)

“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

(Nanyue Mingzan: Enjoying the Way, tr. Jeff Shore; T2076p461b24-26)
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Re: Is Soto Zen Gradual?

Postby thigle » Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:48 am

DarwidHalim wrote:Soto is a gradual [..]

Because it's a long way from initially always "practised" just sitting to just sitting.
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