Arabic Buddhist wrote:hello dharma friends
When I pracrice chan do i have to be vegetarian ?
Arabic Buddhist wrote:Do I can Attain enlightenment without take bodhisattva precepts ? Or i have to take bodhisattva precepts to attain enlightenment ?
Huifeng wrote:Arabic Buddhist wrote:hello dharma friends
When I pracrice chan do i have to be vegetarian ?
You don't have to, but it is a good practice, nonetheless.Arabic Buddhist wrote:Do I can Attain enlightenment without take bodhisattva precepts ? Or i have to take bodhisattva precepts to attain enlightenment ?
You do need the core of the bodhisattva precepts, the aspiration to attain full awakening for the sake of all sentient beings. This is known as "bodhi-citta", the aspiration for awakening.
Firstly, here's the late Ven Master Dr Sheng Yen's related opinion...When I pracrice chan do i have to be vegetarian ?
Indrajala wrote:There is the Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra which states a bodhisattva should not eat meat. The sixteenth chapter explains it all.
plwk wrote:Jai, the Lankavatara is an interesting text of what is known to some as layered by later additions or accretions as purported by scholars.
Read this sample excerpt, page 20 and here too.
And on HHDL, I doubt if everyone in the Buddhist world views him as Avalokitesvara but if anyone does, it remains a personal opinion of certain groups or individuals. What I do know as per HHDL himself claimed was that he's just a 'simple monk'. And by the way, the Karmapa too is viewed as Avalokitesvara by the Kagyupas... hope you have room on the altar space for him too lol. In the Chinese Mahayana Tradition, they oft speak about everyone being an extension of Avalokitesvara's Thousand Arms (to reach out) and Eyes to (watch over all).
Jainarayan wrote:Yet HH is known to eat meat on occasion. In fact, he once said at a White House dinner (maybe this is apocryphal?), when offered a vegetarian meal, something to the effect "I am a Buddhist monk, not a vegetarian".
Another episode from the Dalai Lama's life that HSUS might want to promote is what happened during his first official banquet at France's Elysee presidential palace, in 1998. Agence France Press reported:
At a meeting with a small group of reporters — during which he partook only of a glass of warm water served up with ceremony in a luxury Paris hotel — the Dalai Lama recounted how his views on vegetarian cooking had somewhat upset protocol the previous day.
"They started serving me vegetarian," he said. "So then I'm compelled to make clear I'm not vegetarian."
"I'm a Tibetan monk, not a vegetarian," he laughed, saying he ate vegetarian food only on alternate days.
As for the meal, he said he preferred the cheap fare served up in small restaurants.
He also recalled that when he had tried to be a strict vegetarian he had, on the advice of Indian friends, tried eating only milk and nuts, which gave him jaundice.
"All my body became yellow, then truly I became the living Buddha."
matthewmartin wrote:Jainarayan wrote:Yet HH is known to eat meat on occasion. In fact, he once said at a White House dinner (maybe this is apocryphal?), when offered a vegetarian meal, something to the effect "I am a Buddhist monk, not a vegetarian".
That story doesn't sound right. I don't know what the real story was, but if he was at a US fancy state dinner, 99% chance it was not vegetarian-- I live in DC and I know that there is only 1 fancy sometimes vegetarian restaurant here, the high-end/white-house type chefs here have no interest what soever in veg*nism--, Now if someone would have asked if a fancy meal of pork, chicken and beef offended him, he would have graciously said that quote and that would make sense. He is vegetarian for 50% of the time. So if people want to use HHDL as their excuse for not being vegetarian, then they should be vegetarian 1/2 of the year. Or decide on some other criteria unrelated to HHDL-- maybe an honest meditation on the suffering of animals, which would be a better ground for morality anyhow.
As for me, I specifically shifted my readings toward chan & away from zen after I finally worked out which schools take veg*nism seriously and which avail themselves of the reasons to ignore the rule. Japanese zen appears to allow non-vegetarian monks on account of an Imperial court that was hostile to Buddhism as an institution. That sort of reform doesn't give me much confidence in its appropriateness on Buddhist grounds.
So as to not sound so negative though, everyone should feel welcome to start where they are. No one becomes an exemplar of virtue on the first day, omnivores and so on.
Indrajala wrote:Generally speaking, Chan monks through the Tang to modern times presumably followed vegetarianism for the most part, just as any other monk would have done. It was socially unacceptable for monks to eat meat and still is in the Chinese world. If you're in robes and you go eat meat in public, people could get visibly upset.
Some elements in the Song Dynasty covertly ate meat and drank alcohol, calling the substances something different to comically avoid breaking their precepts, though this was the exception probably rather than the rule.
As a layperson, you have the option of vegetarianism unless you take a certain set of bodhisattva precepts which expressly forbid the consumption of meat.
Provided it is done reasonably, vegetarianism is good for your health anyway and better for the environment. Modern Chan organizations say the same thing. It is part of their basic platform of teachings.
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