Astus wrote:Dreams and imagination are not objects of the physical senses either, and it doesn't mean they are anything extraordinary.
I don't say dreams and imagination are anything extraordinary. They are conditioned by karma. The visions of Thogel are not.
Differentiating between products of mind and products of rigpa means separating mind and rigpa.
Well this is actually the purpose of a lot of Dzogchen teachings.
Either then mind and rigpa separated as difference between ignorance and wisdom - both are functions of the same mental continuum - or they are separated as minds of two different beings.
Your reasoning is not working with Dzogchen because you don't realize that for Dzogchen mind works in a mode of ignorance and Mind (sems-nyid) works in a mode of knowledge or Awareness (rig-pa). You need to distinguish mind from Mind and marigpa from rigpa, although for ease of exposition you'll find numerous teachings aiming at distinguishing mind (as a conditioned process) from rigpa (as an unconditioned process).
If they are like two different beings, it makes no sense to me to have two minds.
Either you don't understand what mind is in Dzogchen or you don't understand what Rigpa is in Dzogchen.
If they are functions of the same mental continuum, it is not possible to have both function at the same time, thus either everything is perceived with ignorance or with wisdom. In other words, either everything is the product of karma or the vision of enlightenment.
Rigpa is not dependent on mind because the mind is characterized by ignorance, dualistic grasping, etc. The presence or absence of these has no impact at all on Rigpa. Mind functions with karmic winds, Rigpa functions with the wisdom wind.