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oblations to spirit and deities

Postby mlswe » Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:58 pm

how does one make oblations to spirit and deities ? .

"When riches are thus gotten, he makes the five oblations to kin, guests, spirit, kings and deities"

— AN 5.41

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Re: oblations to spirit and deities

Postby gavesako » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:10 pm

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Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)

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Re: oblations to spirit and deities

Postby mlswe » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:59 pm

:anjali:

thanks for your time Bhante but i don´t find an answer to my question

i get the impression that you don´t think i have believe in kamma or am superstitious

i am coming from generosity for the depraved and worthy, proctective(edit: by protective i mean in a general sense over the dhamma, communites etc of which i might or might not be included but thats beside this point)

which instinctively felt like the reason for this instruction from The Lord Buddha but i might mishold it

:anjali:

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Re: oblations to spirit and deities

Postby gavesako » Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:28 pm

I am not sure myself but there is this mention of making oblations to deities ("bali" or offerings) which occurs at the beginning of the Ratana Sutta:

1. "Whatever beings (non-humans) are assembled here, terrestrial or celestial, may they all have peace of mind, and may they listen attentively to these words:
2. "O beings, listen closely. May you all radiate loving-kindness to those human beings who, by day and night, bring offerings to you (offer merit to you). Wherefore, protect them with diligence.


http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .piya.html


Perhaps the Sutta might give us a clue about the meaning of it?
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Re: oblations to spirit and deities

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:18 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: oblations to spirit and deities

Postby gavesako » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:34 am

Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)

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Re: oblations to spirit and deities

Postby plwk » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:34 pm

If these are of any help...
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Re: oblations to spirit and deities

Postby mlswe » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:41 pm

thanks for your replies

how is offerings to the dead relatives and devas customary offered in for example Thailand?

kind regards


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