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"Venerable" VS. "Most Venerable"

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"Venerable" VS. "Most Venerable"

Postby mirco » Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:08 pm

Hi :-),

as far as I know, every Bhikkhu/Bhikkhuni should be adressed with "Venerable".

But what then is a "Most Venerable"?

And by the way, what is a "High Holiness"?

:-)regards
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Re: "Venerable" VS. "Most Venerable"

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:53 pm

Most venerable ?? only know of one person who uses that or it is applied to by their disciples.


highest holiness?? never heard that being used for anyone.


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But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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Re: "Venerable" VS. "Most Venerable"

Postby Goofaholix » Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:57 pm

Never heard of either.

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Re: "Venerable" VS. "Most Venerable"

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:10 pm

At one time I used the name "Venerable Pesala" in line with the Sri Lankan tradition.

Later, when I found out the real usage of in the Christian tradition, I dropped it in favour of "Bhikkhu Pesala." In the Thai tradition they would use "Pesala Bhikkhu."

Its not of much importance — people can address monks as "Reverend" or "Venerable" if they feel comfortable with that, but IMO the best these days is to use the Pali word "Bhante." Its unambiguous, and understood by all Theravāda tradition, even if not widely used in Theravāda countries.

In Burma, they address monks as "Ashin Piya" or "Sayādaw", In Thailand they use "Ajahn" and in Sri Lanka they use "Hamudru" or "Sādhu."

"Bhante" is the vocative form used only when speaking directly to a bhikkhu. Saying, "I went to see Bhante Pesala" would be incorrect — one should say, "I went to see Bhikkhu Pesala."
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Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:39 pm

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Re: "Venerable" VS. "Most Venerable"

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Re: "Venerable" VS. "Most Venerable"

Postby mirco » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:24 pm

"High Holiness" I mixed up with the title "His Holiness", the official style or manner of address used in reference to the leaders of certain religious groups. (Wiki)



But regarding Most Venerable google the following and you will see what I mean:

+"most venerable" +buddh

There are many :-)

But I think, David may be right. Somehow the Maha from Maha Thera made it from behind the name before it.


:-)regards
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Re: "Venerable" VS. "Most Venerable"

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:57 pm

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Re: "Venerable" VS. "Most Venerable"

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:19 pm

Just a comment that any long-term monk is a Maha Thera. It's not a special title.
Here http://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/mah ... index.html it says 20 rains (I remembered it as 10, but presumably I was mistaken).

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Re: "Venerable" VS. "Most Venerable"

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: "Venerable" VS. "Most Venerable"

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:27 am

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Re: "Venerable" VS. "Most Venerable"

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:45 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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