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by cdpatton
Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:21 am
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: The Modern Western Theravada bias
Replies: 273
Views: 17846

Re: The Modern Western Theravada bias

For example, he translates "anidassanam" as "without surface", which is also quite novel and doesn't match any Pali dictionary I can find , it also doesn't match with the Chinese rendering we saw above「無量境界」which literally translates to "no discernible perceptual object &qu...
by cdpatton
Tue Aug 15, 2023 6:22 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: The Modern Western Theravada bias
Replies: 273
Views: 17846

Re: The Modern Western Theravada bias

The idea that Nirvāṇa is cessation of the aggregates isn't peculiar to Theravāda Buddhism, nor is it a modern view created by Western Buddhists. One can find the cessation of rebirth described in terms of the cessation of consciousness in other early Buddhist schools. To give one example, there are ...
by cdpatton
Tue May 02, 2023 6:13 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: The Noble Wheel Turning King or Chakravartin in Dirgha Agama
Replies: 10
Views: 1631

Re: The Noble Wheel Turning King or Chakravartin in Dirgha Agama

I recall I read somewhere in my research that scholars believe the wheel-turning king myth may go back to the first empires in the Middle East and Persia. To me, the wheel treasure that's a golden disc in the sky is an obvious reference to the sun. That it serves as the mandate for the wheel turnin...
by cdpatton
Mon May 01, 2023 10:16 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: The Noble Wheel Turning King or Chakravartin in Dirgha Agama
Replies: 10
Views: 1631

Re: The Noble Wheel Turning King or Chakravartin in Dirgha Agama

I recall I read somewhere in my research that scholars believe the wheel-turning king myth may go back to the first empires in the Middle East and Persia. To me, the wheel treasure that's a golden disc in the sky is an obvious reference to the sun. That it serves as the mandate for the wheel turning...
by cdpatton
Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:01 am
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: the Saddharma-smṛty-upasthāna-sūtra
Replies: 5
Views: 1243

Re: the Saddharma-smṛty-upasthāna-sūtra

Probably the biggest, most elaborate tour de force of Buddhist cosmology that exists (AFAIK). Bigger than the Avatamsaka Sutra? Who were these people? I think they focussed on repentence litergy. And how Mahayana are they? They seem to have been represented in Silk Road cave art. Okay. It (T721) is...
by cdpatton
Sat Jan 07, 2023 12:12 am
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: the Saddharma-smṛty-upasthāna-sūtra
Replies: 5
Views: 1243

Re: the Saddharma-smṛty-upasthāna-sūtra

This is a wild combination of elements... :stirthepot: the platypus of Buddhist Sutras. Does anyone know about it? A Less Traveled Path: Saddharmasmṛtyupasthānasūtra Chapter 2, with A Study on Its Structure and Significance for the Development of Buddhist Meditation I've looked at the Chinese trans...
by cdpatton
Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:45 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: What is the Relationship of These 2 Sets of Dharmaguptaka Materials?
Replies: 7
Views: 775

Re: What is the Relationship of These 2 Sets of Dharmaguptaka Materials?

Ah. There is a whole literature with rules and stories and doctrine here. These are both from the "Dharmaguptaka Library" so to speak. Thanks :D Yes, exactly. My understanding is that Mahayana monks and nuns would ordain in the traditional Vinayas and maybe even live among the others who ...
by cdpatton
Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:32 am
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: What is the Relationship of These 2 Sets of Dharmaguptaka Materials?
Replies: 7
Views: 775

Re: What is the Relationship of These 2 Sets of Dharmaguptaka Materials?

WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP OF THESE 2 SETS OF DHARMAGUPTAKA MATERIALS? They are both translations from the same Chinese translation of the Dharmaguptaka Vinaya. It's a fairly large collection of materials like the entire Theravada Vinaya, with bhiksu and bhiksuni precepts and other subjects. The Chin...
by cdpatton
Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:42 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Charles Patton translation of the Dirgha Agama, 30. Description of the World Chapter 12: The Origins of the World
Replies: 53
Views: 3244

Re: Charles Patton translation of the Dirgha Agama, 30. Description of the World Chapter 12: The Origins of the World

That text, called there simply "A Buddhist Cosmology Sutra" is also translated by Shohei Ichimura and published by BDK in 2018, THE CANONICAL BOOK OF THE BUDDHA’S LENGTHY DISCOURSES, VOLUME III. An utterly fascinating scripture, to be sure. Ichimura's translation gives a slightly differen...
by cdpatton
Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:26 pm
Forum: Discovering Mahayana Buddhism
Topic: Agamas in Mahayana
Replies: 18
Views: 1649

Re: Agamas in Mahayana

They are śrāvakayāna texts, the Sarvāstivādin equivalent of the Nikayas. Okay, then perhaps could be considered pre-cursors to the Mahayana texts. Sarvastivada ---> Dharmaguptaka ---> Chinese Buddhism / Chan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Buddhist_schools#Twenty_schools_according_to_Mahayana_s...
by cdpatton
Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:17 pm
Forum: Discovering Mahayana Buddhism
Topic: Agamas in Mahayana
Replies: 18
Views: 1649

Re: Agamas in Mahayana

Yesterday I made this post over on r/Buddhism: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buddhism/comments/txdyut/what_role_do_the_agamas_play_in_mahayana/ I received some interesting responses, and I was wondering if I could ask the question of you folks since I'm interested in hearing more about the use and relev...
by cdpatton
Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:03 am
Forum: Language
Topic: Help with Classical Chinese!
Replies: 8
Views: 5080

Re: Help with Classical Chinese!

(云云=etc., not sure what it's doing here) It is recorded that the sovereign succeeds to the gaze of the bodhisattva. Citing the records of the five emperors (part of the 史記), however, in interpreting this, I reference the subtle explanation of the centrality of nothingness. Most of the confusion is ...
by cdpatton
Fri Dec 24, 2021 2:08 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Where is the extra content to the Nirvana Sutra of Dharmaksema located
Replies: 5
Views: 3066

Re: Where is the extra content to the Nirvana Sutra of Dharmaksema located

As my side translation project, I am currently looking at the Ajātaśatru sūtras. But after I might consider working on the Faxian/Buddhabhadra Nirvāṇa sūtra. That would be great! It is a bit different than Dharmakshema's version, which is somewhat expanded by comparison throughout. My understanding...
by cdpatton
Fri Dec 24, 2021 2:05 am
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Are there English translations of extant Sarvastivadin and Dharmaguptaka texts?
Replies: 7
Views: 3907

Re: Are there English translations of extant Sarvastivadin and Dharmaguptaka texts?

But yours, I can actually read them. Thanks! That's my goal. Most translations are made by academics for academics to read, or they feel they need to maintain an old English sort of scriptural voice. I come at it from more of literary background, and I try to be true the original Buddhist preferenc...
by cdpatton
Fri Dec 24, 2021 2:01 am
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Are there English translations of extant Sarvastivadin and Dharmaguptaka texts?
Replies: 7
Views: 3907

Re: Are there English translations of extant Sarvastivadin and Dharmaguptaka texts?

to track down translations that exist Dear Sir, I wonder if you could help me track down this unique content (from a separate thread here) that is said to exist in the Agamas when compared to the Tipitaka: * EA includes past-life stories of the Buddha as a woman * EA makes explicit mention to the s...
by cdpatton
Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:46 am
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Where is the extra content to the Nirvana Sutra of Dharmaksema located
Replies: 5
Views: 3066

Re: Where is the extra content to the Nirvana Sutra of Dharmaksema located

at which page is the cut off for where the extra material for the Dharmaksema content begin? In the Southern edition translated by Yamamoto, the additional material begins with Chapter 18. In Dharmaksema's original, there are fewer chapters, but the extra material begins at Chapter 6. Yamamoto's tr...
by cdpatton
Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:43 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Are there English translations of extant Sarvastivadin and Dharmaguptaka texts?
Replies: 7
Views: 3907

Re: Are there English translations of extant Sarvastivadin and Dharmaguptaka texts?

or at least translations of parts/quotes from these ancient texts? Yes. BDK translated the Chinese Dirgha Agama, which is from the Dharmaguptaka canon. I'm currently (re-)translating it for my Dharma Pearls project. Richard Salomon translates excerpts of Dharmaguptaka texts from Gandhari in The Bud...
by cdpatton
Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:24 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: How do the 3 Abhidharmas we have today differ from one another?
Replies: 2
Views: 1692

Re: How do the 3 Abhidharmas we have today differ from one another?

The Pali, Sarvastivada and Dharmaguptaka editions I read these links and would like to learn more from those of you with some background on this. https://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=19345 https://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=23400 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarvastivada#Abhidharma...
by cdpatton
Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:45 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Commentaries on the Canonical Sutras?
Replies: 43
Views: 14506

Re: Commentaries on the Canonical Sutras?

thanks cdpatton Any tips to enrich my understanding of Buddhist texts and history in general? Any books/courses you'd recommend? Wikipedia's History of Buddhism page is a good starting place. Pick out areas of interest and look into some of the books they cite in the notes at the end of the article...
by cdpatton
Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:25 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Commentaries on the Canonical Sutras?
Replies: 43
Views: 14506

Re: Commentaries on the Canonical Sutras?

Is it so that there are commentaries in the Pali tradition on what the Pali texts (the Nikayas primarily) are saying? Yes, there are extensive commentaries on the Pali suttas that spell out how (the authors of the commentaries) read the suttas. If you read translations of the Pali canon by Bhikkhu ...

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